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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  Chalam

  You need to inspect closely!

  A forgery might look like the real thing at first but look at the details it is completely bogus.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  Thanks SBF, important point :)

  JWs might think they are honouring Jesus (more likely they think they are paying Him obeisance) but if they are not worshipping Jesus they are not honouring Him as the Father.

  Even more, according to the John 5:23 they are not actually honouring the Father either!

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  BIG talk with teenage son today

  by Aussie Oz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yesterday i got to ask my kids what they thought of the convention they just had.

  response was 'really good'.

  daughter liked the drama but could not say why or what the lesson was... so i figure she liked it because it was more interesting than the regular talks.

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  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Did the first Christians worship Jesus?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  new testament scholar james dunn has written a new book called did the first christians worship jesus?

  the new testament evidence.

  his answer to the question is a qualified no.. http://www.amazon.com/did-first-christians-worship-jesus/dp/0664231969/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=utf8&qid=1284146996&sr=1-1.

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  John 5:23 (English Standard Version)

  23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do some jw's go to heaven?

  i read both of ray franz's books, and i was left with the impression that in his opinion, being a christian and being a jw were not necessarily mutually exclusive.

  some of my christian coworkers have also expressed similar thoughts, when they say that there are "christ's brothers" within many different denominations.

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  Chalam

  I once spent a long morning discussing my faith with two elderly JW ladies, all to no avail. When they left I asked the Lord what to make of it all. He told me to read 1 Peter 2. The answer came loud and clear and I think it will help here.

  1 Peter 2:4-10 (New International Version)

  The Living Stone and a Chosen People

  4 As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:
  "See, I lay a stone in Zion,
  a chosen and precious cornerstone,
  and the one who trusts in him
  will never be put to shame." [ a ] 7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,
  "The stone the builders rejected
  has become the capstone, [ b ] " [ c ] 8 and,
  "A stone that causes men to stumble
  and a rock that makes them fall." [ d ] They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.

  9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

  JWs reject Jesus, especially every "Memorial". To us who believe, Jesus is precious, but to JWs "Jehovah" is.

  Jesus will be their capstone and is THE thing which causes them to stumble. "They stumble because they disobey the message" (see John 6:53-54 for example) "which is also what they were destined for".

  I do not think that all JWs are predestined to stumble but at some point their eyes will open and it will be time to stop disobeying the commands of Jesus.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Did Any JW Here Ever Believe They Were Going To Heaven & Not Paradise Earth?

  by minimus in

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  just curious..

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  Chalam

  minimus The biblical idea of paradise earth is even foreign to Jews.

  As my pastor said, it is one of the things that JWs actually get right (well half-right)!

  Revelation 21:2-3 (New International Version)

  2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

  Yes, if a believer dies they go the heaven 2 Corinthians 5:8 , Luke 23:43. However, it is clear that the Holy City does not stay up there forever.

  Blessings, Stephen
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  Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do some jw's go to heaven?

  i read both of ray franz's books, and i was left with the impression that in his opinion, being a christian and being a jw were not necessarily mutually exclusive.

  some of my christian coworkers have also expressed similar thoughts, when they say that there are "christ's brothers" within many different denominations.

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  Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

  Of course, a true JW will tell you only 144, 000 are bound for heaven. The average JW does not believe they are going to heaven.

  Mark 11:24 (New International Version)

  24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

  by leavingwt in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do some jw's go to heaven?

  i read both of ray franz's books, and i was left with the impression that in his opinion, being a christian and being a jw were not necessarily mutually exclusive.

  some of my christian coworkers have also expressed similar thoughts, when they say that there are "christ's brothers" within many different denominations.

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  Chalam

  Some important points here, welcome Ding :)

  My own position on the matter was stated in a similar thread

  Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  So God can sin?

  by ForbiddenFruit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something i've been thinking of.... god created humans in his image, yet it's possible for human's to sin, so therefore it's possible for god to sin right?.

  the jw's will throw the, "but jehovah can never lie", but if it's possible for him to sin then it's possible for him to lie about not lying?

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  Chalam

  Genesis 3:22 (English Standard Version)

  22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—"

  Revelation 4:8 (English Standard Version)

  8 And the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, are full of eyes all around and within, and day and night they never cease to say,
  
  "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty,
  who was and is and is to come!"

  Malachi 3:6 (English Standard Version)

  6 "For I the LORD do not change

  Hebrews 13:8 (English Standard Version)

  8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

  Blessings,

  Stephen
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  Christian Music

  by crapola in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  do any of you good people listen to christian music?

  i listen to k love and am very up built by the music.

  one of my favorite songs is" lead me" by sanctus real.

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  Chalam

  Loving this dude's LP :)

  Brock Human