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  Another WOL "Gem"

  by thinker in

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  first a quoted post from w.o.l.

  why we sometimes adjust our beliefs .

  when a watchman is posted on the watchtower, he must report all perceived approaching threats.

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  Gozz

  Amicus, I had the same feeling. It sure sounded like a quote from the Watchtower. Thinker, thanks for the search.

  These comments, they're averse to reason. God's mouthpiece raising a flase alarm? I'm getting more and more discomfited. Those guys at the writing department, where do they train them? And then JWs are to take their words as the law of God. Someone's said this before at witnet, a lot of those men will have a personal accounting to do. I fail to understand the motivations for those things, it's unbelievable they can't see reason. There's something locked in the minds of those who write such things. Who wknows what it is?
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  I used to get so very angry...

  by SixofNine in

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  http://www.witnessesonline.com/ubb/forum18/html/000009-2.html.

  http://www.witnessesonline.com/ubb/forum1/html/000068.html.

  http://www.witnessesonline.com/ubb/forum1/html/000072.html.

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  Six, I was able to skim through the first two pages of the first link. It's true a lot of the discussions on that board are boriing and somewhat unchallenging - doctrinal issues are left out - which led to me having to reduce my visits to the site. But I consider the discussions about beards interesting, by that board's standards. See, beards is an issue with some congregations - you still can't wear beards and retain your responsibilities where I live - but the policy, whatever it is anywhere, and it's enforcement, is unscriptural. So it is interesting that someone there said "Jehovah loves beards". May be the other discussions are pitiable. This one about beards is not.
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  Can You Believe THIS?

  by LDH in

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  from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

  ::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

  many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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  Gozz

  Elder's Manual Quote:
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  "John counsels against speaking to or associating with a disfellowshipped or disassociated person so as not to be "a shearer in his wicked works." (2 John 11 )"
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  Strictly speaking, to whom do the description of 2 John apply? Certainly not to all disfellowshipped or disassociated persons, no?
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  Another WOL "Gem"

  by thinker in

  1. jw
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  first a quoted post from w.o.l.

  why we sometimes adjust our beliefs .

  when a watchman is posted on the watchtower, he must report all perceived approaching threats.

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  Gozz

  Thinker,
  Are those words from the Watchtower?

  "The sons of Adam are made from dust, if not humble as dust, they fall short of being men".
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  Can You Believe THIS?

  by LDH in

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  from the jw-media site http://www.jw-media.org.

  ::::do you believe that you are the only ones who will be saved?.

  many millions who have lived in centuries past and who were not jehovah's witnesses will come back in a resurrection and have an opportunity for life.

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  Xandit Quote:

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  "Many now living may yet take a stand for truth and righteousness before God's time of judgment, and they will gain salvation." Like I said somewhere else, I take them at their very specific written word. Far as I'm concerned this does not say that such ones have to be JWs. Works for me.
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  I wish to ask Xandit: "Are Jehovah's Witnesses the only group that would be saved at Armageddon?

  Xandit, I only need a clarification from your post. Thanks
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  1975 ???

  by Scorpion in

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  the end of 6000 years is 1873. wt 7/15/1894 p.1675.

  "in what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of god's rest day come to an end?

  the year 1975.

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  Thinker,
  your post is disturbing; unsettling.
  The tower's caving-in. The fog is lifting...I John 4:1.
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  No longer a need for a mediator?

  by ianao in

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  (sorry to interrupt your peaceful day).. i just had an interesting talk with a jw friend of mine.

  during this talk i was explaining to him why i was reluctant to be baptised a jw.

  we got into many lengthy discussions on various topics.. one thing we discussed was jehovah (duh!

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  It all gets even more interesting. During a recent conversation, an elder corrected a publisher for calling the annointed 'our' brothers. He promptly said, no, they are actually Christ's brothers, and 'we' are not. It was impossible to reason with him.
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  Is it Biblical to Shun??

  by charlie in

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  i'm not a witness, but i know one very well and we have had many discussions on various topics.

  we would both like to know, however, if it is biblical to shun the disfellowshipped/disassociated?

  where in the bible does the society base the practice of shunning or groveling back for a long period of time if a person is sorry and wants to return to the church?

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  Waiting,

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  "it probably only makes sense to the ones on the "other side of the table"

  well, you say 'probably' so you're probably right. But truth is, it does make a lot of sense to many on the inside of the camp. There's an unnaturalness associated with shunning that touches the human soul. Just read the treatise on that link. The logic is scripturally irrefutable.And that doesn't sound like 'apostate' stuff.
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  JW Preaching Work Ends in 20th Century ?

  by Scorpion in

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  page 12 of the january 1,1989 wt original magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".

  (a subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d.).

  this sentence is changed in the bound volume reprint to read "a work that would be completed in our day.

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  Gozz

  The Purple Triangle.
  JWs in Germany.
  JWs and Jews.
  ...troubled by the unearthing of a not too glorious past.
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  Is it Biblical to Shun??

  by charlie in

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  this is a duplicate.

  aol was having some trouble.. edited by - charlie on 17 january 2001 23:12:34

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  Gozz

  What is recorded in the bible at I Cor Chapter 5 leaves little or no doubt as to the question of shunning. Of course, decent people are appropriately repulsed by blatantly uncivil behaviour. When crimes are committed, the judicial system imprisons offenders; for sins committed in the christian congregation, shunning, or disfellowshipping is the result if such one remains unrepentant.

  The problem however lies in how far we are to go with regard to shunning, and for which sins people are to be shunned, and for how long. For example, the bible states that liars will not inherit God's kingdom, but how many people have been disfellowshipped for telling lies? There are even instances where a lie is given another name and then justified.

  Even a disfellowshiped person is not totally shunned, for some elders may meet with such one after the word goes out that he be shunned. And in the family, it may become unloving, unchritain, to totally shun someone who has been involved in wrongdoing, especially as reinstatement is dependent upon the judgement of humans. We thus are in the constant danger of continuing to shun someone who has probably been forgiven by Jehovah.

  Take for example David. His sins of adultery, and then murder, did not result in any immediate consequence. He did not willingly confess, and he continued in the state of sin up till about nine months. The move for his repentance was at the instance of Jehovah. And naturally, he only suffered the consequences of his actions but retained his priviledges. What do we learn from the event? That Jehovah may forgive, and we may not know it. That we may continue to shun someone already accepted by Jehovah. That we do not see the heart, or discern its leaning, which heart is the crucial element in the forgiveness of sins.

  Thus, as in other matters in Christain living, we must constantly keep our limitations in view. When shunning tends towards wickedness, and separates families, causing something like hatred, then it is doubtful if it will achieve it's purpose of winning back the wrongdoer.