Posts by BeelzeDub

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Need help for someone hurting by JW rules.

by BeelzeDub in

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i know i have not properly introduced myself here yet.

i have been doing the fade from jw religion for about one year but may soon be d/a myself just before i speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me.

BeelzeDub

JT,

She does not care about the "Cheese Cracker Men". Like myself and many other it is the family that keeps one from making a complete and total break. A fade away would be the preferable choice but with the option to be free to remarry (no neccessaraly a JW) in the future.

Do you understand the family issue here JT?

I would love nothing more than to tell them to take this job and shove it.... but is that worth loosing all your family... especially your kids and grandkids? Not as easy as you make it sound... even if it is what you would like to do in your heart.

Needless to say, her treatment by these men who at the same time turn a blind eye to the antics of her ex husband has opened her eyes some to how christain this organization really is, and how much they place themselves between man and god.

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Need help for someone hurting by JW rules.

by BeelzeDub in

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i know i have not properly introduced myself here yet.

i have been doing the fade from jw religion for about one year but may soon be d/a myself just before i speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me.

BeelzeDub

Thanks for the comments. Just to clarify one thing. After he admited to being unfaithfull in front of two other witnesses (3 total) she went to the elders. When they tried to call him in to ask him about it is when he wrote a letter to the elders saying that he didn't really mean it. He was not serious. He avoids all calls and has not set foot in the KH since he sent the letter. So it is obvious to the elders that he is avoiding them. They have sent him letters and he refuses to accept them.

Now I ask, would anybody in their right mind ever admit to being unfaithfull if it were not true? Even the elders had to answer this with a NO.

Anyway back to the story, the denial letter threw the elders for a loop, they never had that happen before so the wrote to the WTS and they were the ones that said his letter stands. So even though she has so much cercomstancial evidence, as well as an admission with 3 witnesses... because Mother said so they will not back down.

This has been going on for some time, during the last CO visit he could not even defend the WTS possision that his denial letter should over ride her two witnesses.... but since Mother said it they "just had to wait on Jehovah" tm (puke)

I helped her write a letter that reviewed the whole two witness rule and why at this point it should be left up to her own concience but they would not accept it even though they agreed that the points in it were valid.

What is very sad is that in her own heart, she has a clear concience with god on this matter, but these men will not allow her to follow her own conceince, they must dictate to her what her conceince is even though they can't back it up with anything in the bible.

I will not stand by and watch these men hurt inocent people like this anymore, I will speak out, and for doing so, I will become their next target, like a big buck on opening day of dear season they will come hunt me down and spiritually kill me off to shut me up.

-B.D.

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Need help for someone hurting by JW rules.

by BeelzeDub in

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friends

i know i have not properly introduced myself here yet.

i have been doing the fade from jw religion for about one year but may soon be d/a myself just before i speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me.

BeelzeDub

I know I have not properly introduced myself here yet. I have been doing the fade from JW religion for about one year but may soon be D/A myself just before I speek out again the elders about what they are doing to someone close to me. More on my story soon.

This person has been divoced without scriptual grounds for two years. Her husband was an wicked man who abused her. He was an elder for most of their marriage but stepped down a couple years ago. She found love letters from him to another woman around the house. He was seen holding hands with another woman in a resteraunt. He was caught at a strip bar several times late at night. He admitted to her that he was unfaithfull and then took it back. There is much much more that went on but will leave out for now. The elders would not confront him because they told her she did not have absolute proof and because he took his confession back. She divorced him anyway based on his confession in front of two witnesses, her concience was clean before god. The elders say no, she is not free.

After two years she met someone and she has ended the marriage by JW law. However the elders are telling her that she is required to ask her husband for forgiveness for her sin and ask him if he wan't to make the marriage work. She does not want to do this because of the many things he did while married and she has good reason. The elders have already decided that she would not get DF for the sin, however unless she confesses to her husband they are telling her she is not free to remarry. She is confused as to what she wants to do. On one had she is sick of the whole thing and would really like to D/A herself but she has children/grandchildren she could loose.

Does anyone know of any JW rule that requires one to ask forgiveness before they can be concidered free to remarry?

I plan to email this link to her so any thoughts or encourangement would be greatly apreciated.

Thanks, BD

Edited by - beelzeDub on 30 October 2002 11:52:22

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Signs of JW decline

by larc in

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the decline of the jws has been discussed before in bits and pieces.

i thought i would summarize some of the "signs of the times".

1. there is been no growth in 24 internet connected countries.

BeelzeDub

If the decline continues I would not be surprised to see the GB get a flash of new light and say time reporting is not required anymore. There is no bible basis for it and that would get the numbers going back in the direction they desire based on the fact that now they can count inactive JW's again.

Edited by - beelzeDub on 29 October 2002 17:36:55

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What did you do to piss the brothers off?

by Pleasuredome in

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when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.

i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.

i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.

BeelzeDub

I began telling others that I was thinking about getting a tattoo. Most would freak out and tell me that acording to the scriptures it is wrong. I would then act like I never heard that before and ask them to show me where in the bible it said that. After they looked up the scripture and showed me, I then asked them to read the verse just before where it says that men should not trim their beards and then would say I guess all the brothers should quit shaving. Then I started wearing a beard and if someone would say anything about that, I would just say I wanted to follow what the bible says and not trim my beard. Shorlty after I was quickly shunned by most.

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Why do so many people here disbelieve allegations?

by avishai in

this is not a question regarding bill bowen/ray franz et.

al.

that has been discussed elsewhere.

BeelzeDub

Why do so many people here disbelieve allegations?

Still waiting on some independent confirmation of this one, made quite some time ago. It is claimed by the poster that there are sources with more information to follow. Where is it?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=37055&site=3

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Divorced! No Grounds!

by Veovus in

my wife recently filed for divorce after four years of marriage and there is no grounds!

in california you can't contest a divorce and it requires only one signiture to do it.

im twenty three and male.

BeelzeDub

Veovus,

Hello, if you are still here.

How long have you been apart? How long have you been divorced.

First you should give it time... I was very lonely at first, but with time it gets better.

I went through the exact situation that you are. All I can say is that it is a battle of wills. When I was divoced without grounds my EX said to me... "I bet you give in first" My ex decided she wanted to get a divorce after I said I didn't want to go to meetings anymore. It was very lonely at first but it got better with time.

1. Buy a big screen TV and a DVD player and make a goal to watch every movie in the rental store. This will keep you at home most evenings with something to keep your mind busy.

2. Get some books and read, I recommend "Crisis of concience" as well as "In search of Christain Freedom"

3. Spend the rest of your free time on a discussion boad as this... you will meet new people and you will then be less lonely.

Now for the most important advise.....

A. Never tell your EX that you are lonely... always act like you are perfectly happy being single and that you are prepared to stay single the rest of your life if that is what it takes because you want to follow what is in the bible. (This will only put more pressure on your ex, because they will not have any hope in you giving in first) Every chance you get let you ex know you are content to be single and that is just the way it is. Make some friends on the internet.... if you go out on the town, do not do it where you live.

Your other options are to.

A. Learn the truth about the "TRUTH" and quit letting them control your life.

OR

B. Do what the elders tell you and get back together with you EX and make it work.

In the words of Dr Laura, "Now go do the right thing."

Best of luck to you, and if you are looking for people who might be able to give you some advice, you did come to the right place here. You know what advice you will get at the Kingdom Hall, Make up with your spouse or learn to live single. What other advice would you expect from an active witness? really?

Best Regards B_D

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So, "Is Ray Franz GREAT or What???"

by minimus in

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i just read amazing's thread on ray franz' response.

the question was raised regarding the so-called "sarcasm" that bill bowen expressed on a number of threads and posts about ray franz being "great or what".

if bill bowen is simply trying to make "peace", we are left to feel that we should just dismiss any statements that were made by "silentlambs" and let bygones be bygones.

BeelzeDub

I think Ted Jaracaz could be a good man with fine qualities in his own way. As leader of a religious group he has helped many people to have a relationship with God and improve the quality of life through the fine articles in the WT and Awake magazines.

Just because the man who is part of a group of men (GB) decide to slander anyone who questions their authority or does not agree with everything they say, publicly vilify such persons in the public forum through their magazine articles as being liars and from Satan should we not over look such slander for the greater good that this great man does?

Is Ted Jarcaz GREAT or What?

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Is Bald Beautiful?

by jack2 in

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after i got a haircut recently, a look in the mirror revealed a little too much recession of my hairline for comfort.

i saw that 'horseshoe' shape atop my head.

so, while i was away, i got my head buzzed.

BeelzeDub

god only created a few perfect heads..... the rest he had to cover over with hair.

Edited by - beelzeDub on 25 October 2002 11:8:18

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Post by Ray Franz

by Amazing in

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ray franz requested that i post the following comments written by him:

as has been stated already, the presentation made from the silent lambs source in connection with the child abuse issue completely misrepresents my position.

when i spoke by phone recently with the author of that presentation, and pointed out that i had never expressed the views presented, his comment was that from his previous conversation with me (held some months earlier) he "got the impression that i was not on the same wave length" with him.

BeelzeDub

I find it ironic how some demand that Mr Franz be expected to register and be available to answer any questions put to him simply because a post was made on his behalf to respond to a personal attack made upon his character on this forum. While at the same time the Silent Lambs representative who is a registered user of this forum and uses it frequently to advance his cause does respond to questions raised to him. Sounds a bit hypocritical to me.