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Double Cult

by winnower in

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a mormon mason: new grand master is the first in a century who is lds .

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695265549,00.html.

A Mormon Mason: New grand master is the first in a century who is LDS

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,695265549,00.html

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Bethel Boys: What's the Deal with Nethinim?

by MissingLink in

my wife was asking me about the nethinim class at bethel.

i had never heard of this before.

she said they were like helpers for the gb.. for anyone who served at bethel, or knows about it - can you explain this to me?

winnower

Nethinim "one given to temple service" . These temple servants originated from Canaan.

Ezra 2: 55 The descendants of Solomon's servants (O) [included]:
Sotai's descendants, Hassophereth's descendants,
Peruda's descendants, 56 Jaalah's descendants,
Darkon's descendants, Giddel's descendants,

57 Shephatiah's descendants, Hattil's descendants,
Pochereth&nbhyph;hazzebaim's descendants, and Ami's descendants.

58 All the temple servants
and the descendants of Solomon's servants

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59 The following are those who came from Tel-melah, Tel-harsha, Cherub, Addan, and Immer but were unable to prove that their families and ancestry were Israelite:

The slaves of Solomon came out of Babylon and the offspring of Solomon's slaves have been referred to as the nethinim. It is believed that these are of the genetic line of Nephilim. These slaves gained access to the temples and later to the sacred writings. Much of the bible scriptures have been changed because of this. It was rather like having the fox in the hen house. And this fox has been applying his craft -(iness) for centuries.

This god of the bible who demands blood sacrifice is none other than the current ruler of this world. This is NOT our creator. This is not the Father who sent his son.

Jesus said his sheep would know his voice. This is all we can depend on now. The sacred scrolls have been tampered from long ago.

If the name Zerubbabel is Hebrew, it may be a contraction of Z?rua‘ Bavel ( Hebrew: ??????? ?????? ?), meaning "the one sown of Babylon", and referring to a child conceived and born in Babylon; or perhaps even, Z?rûy Bavel ( Hebrew: ?????? ?????? ?), meaning, "the winnowed of Babylon", in the sense of being exiled in Babylon. If the name is not Hebrew but Assyrian-Babylonian, it may contract, Z?ru Babel, meaning, "Seed of Babylon", the one conceived in Babylon. (Contrast the related Hebrew form for "Seed": Hebrew: ????? ?, Zera‘.)

Zerubbabel Lodge #15 F.&A.M.
341 Bull Street, Savannah, Georgia

http://www.zerubbabel15.com/

So, what is the importance of this connection of these nethinim to Babylon and to the present day?

Why are the "last days" compared to the days of Noah and not some other time in history?

Could it be because the nephilim will be revealed again?

The illumaniti bloodlines are the Nephilim descendants. They have kept their bloodlines pure.

The Nephilim are the powerhouse behind the many various "Brotherhood" organizations.

These organizations include all groups belonging to Freemasonry and all religions.

So what is this connection to Babylon?

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What will go next?

by Gill in

jw
friends

so, it is the end of the home book study meeting.

hoorah!

i hear those of you who still have to 'go' shout!.

winnower

Integ said:

I think disfellowshipping will go next, but I know that the wts will continue to thrive and flourish. They are merely getting smarter; more mainstream. They will actually GROW because of the changes they are making. More appealing to the masses and therefore more growth. More Kingdom Halls, etc. I think the Df'ing will end soon and be even MORE attractive to potential converts. And it will bring in a ton of "new ones" who were old ones who now can come back and keep the Halls packed. They're not 'ending' anything. They are getting SMARTER and have no intention of folding up their tents. It doesn't make any sense that they would do that. It makes more sense they are actually just going to adjust things and get even bigger and bigger, My reply: .... now you assume the Society is crumbling. In the next few months you will see the society's stronghold on your loved ones become stronger than it has ever been. These are the subtle "jot and tittle" changes. Of course, the wording given to the cong will be so subtle it will seem as though it has "always meant this". 1. Disfellowshipping in the congregation is similar to excommunication practiced in all religions. The chuch never kicks anyone out; the person has kicked themselves out by not abiding doctrine. The church has merely made an announcement that the person is errant and not to be followed. The ultimate goal of shunning is meant to restore one to fellowship and to cease their error. When a repentant attitude is shown, the elders can hope for bringing the offender back into a right understanding of the scripture. The person is still a Jehovah's Witness as baptism cannot be "undone". http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/157356/1.ashx Baptism is considered as your "sealing". Once baptised a JW you will always be a JW; however you can fall from grace and loose your "reservation" in the paradise. WTS will become more mainstream by pointing out the similarities of their doctrines with that of "christendom". Changes in "christendom" (doing away with icons and holidays) will help fall in line with WTS teachings. Eventually, all religions will be able to "meet in the middle" to form the one world religion. This is an important change that this be emphasized. Because they will begin to refer to Baptism as a "sealing" this word will later become interchangable with the work "marking". When the digital chip becomes the order of the day (although it will be a voluntary thing) you will be told that this is NOT the mark of the beast and it actually means nothing. This will be a lie. You will be told that you have "already been marked" by your sealing of baptism. I have explained this in better detail on another post.

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agendas of paradise

by winnower in

what has been taught as armageddon is actually the great tribulation.

the agenda for a "man-made" paradise will come about during this time.

of course, the jws will, as always, be told that it is being "divinely directed" and believe that without question.

winnower

bttt

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"Tower of Deception"---a new book just out!

by winnower in

jw
friends

this seems to be a new book recently released.

has anyone seen or read this?

could we have a review, please?.

winnower

This seems to be a new book recently released. Has anyone seen or read this? Could we have a review, please?

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

winnower

To JWD posters who are pressing Malkiel for his "status" and "congregational standing": You are still caught up in the "hive mentality". You still think like a mob. You are showing your ignorance and prejudice by trying to imply that if he is not a fader, an apostate, an "X-JW", or an atheist that he is not welcome here. Shame on you. Knowing the truth about "the truth" leaves you with a moral obligation and you now have a responsibility to guide and teach others. Something has obviously drawn him here. Some of you are backing him up against the wall and others are throwing tomatoes. If you turn people like this away, you will be "bloodguilty" now!

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

winnower

Hello Malkiel. Obviously something has drawn you here. Maybe something deep inside knows its time to confront your worst nightmare. Makiel, you said: The US and British government is replete with 'open' members of masonry. Their goals, short and long term don't involve 'taking over' the UN, but rather influencing it. In many ways, depending on how you view both of these organizations, they can exist as one united entity as well as separate but complementing entities. I am glad to see that you have a little idea of the pieces of the puzzle. You are right in saying that masonry will not "take over" the UN. It is the higher echelons of the Freemasonry chain that is actually behind the UN. They are the 13 controlling bloodlines sometimes known as the Illuminati. Why that name "Illuminati"? Think "illuminate" ...does the "light get brighter"? Do the scriptures tell you that Satan transforms himself as an angel of light? Where do you think "new light" comes from? Did you know that Watchtower is a part of that Freemason chain of Societies and brotherhoods?

Links Between, and About, Zionism, Freemasonry and Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.illuminati-news.com/zfjw.htm Malkiel, you said: Since then it has been veiled in the form of Freemasonry. But the symbolism is still there, under our very own noses. Ezekiel sees in a vision the rituals of Freemasonry, which is really sun worshipping. Of course sun worshipping is just another form of worshipping Satan. This sun worshipping existed since Nimrod, right thru the Sumerians,Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans and now, thru Freemasonry, the Anglo-American world power. Reply: malkiel, if you have done so much research, why do you not recognize that Freemasonry ( and a Rothschild bankrolling the operation) is the origin of the watchtower religion? This association is mentioned as far back as the original "bible students". Rothschilds.... (one of the 13 bloodlines of controlling illuminati families) ROTHSCHILD PURCHASING LAND IN
PALESTINE. http://www.biblestudents.com/htdbv5/r1374b.htm Notice they were simply called the TOWER back then. http://www.biblestudents.com/htdbv5/zwt0490.htm Mormons were also founded by a freemason. Scientology came about through mind control experiments at Stanford Research Institute. I think in a short time it will be revealed that ALL religions have been contrived by this ancient evil bloodline of illuminati druids. Here's a little bone for you to chew on. C.T. Russell’s membership records in the Masonic Knights Templar are kept in Ireland.TheBlue Lodge records belong to the Grand Lodge of PA. Lady Queensborough in her book Occult Theocracy published in 1933 notes on page 737 C.T. Russell’s Masonic membership. His Masonic membership must have also been common knowledge to those associated with him, and those acquainted with the prominence Russell gave to the Knights Templar logo. Evidence shows C.T. Russell was not only a high freemason, but prominent in their schemes, in other words he was a key player. Watchtowers are very important to the very highest Freemasons. The highest secret knowledge of many Masonic rites including such rites as the Scottish Rite, the Rite of Memphis, the Rite of Mizraim, etc. is concentrated in a high level group of Illuminati. One group ofthe Illuminati is the O.T.O. The initials O.T.O. can stand for several names, one being Ordo Templi Orientis (The Order of Oriental Templars). Its esoteric name is Order of To Ov. Itsmembers also have been referred to as the Great White Brotherhood or AtlanteanAdepts, and have workedwith the B’nai B’rith. There are four separate groups of OTO lodges, each contains hard core occultists. You said: Of course sun worshipping is just another form of worshipping Satan. This sun worshipping existed since Nimrod, right thru the Sumerians,Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Romans and now, thru Freemasonry, the Anglo-American world power. In the 16th century William Sinclair was one of those who introduced Enochian Magick to Scotland. The Scottish connection in the Watchtower Society is overpowering. Both the Russell's and the Rutherford families came from Scotland as well as MacMillan and many other key early Watchtower leaders. From this it appears that the Scottish type of Illuminatism that created the early Watchtower Society has always practiced Enochian magick. Knowing the Watchtowers is the key to Enochian magic. The same type of winged-sun-disk that Charles Taze Russell used was also used on the Magick. Two phrases that were popular among Satanist's who practiced Enochian Magick in Rumli's day were "Millennial Dawn" and "Golden Age." Golden Age is another term for the New Age. The New Age is what the Masons call their magazines. Charles Taze Russell was a Mason. http://www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist/Masons.html The Winged Sun Disk derives its meaning from ancient Egypt and represents the actual Masonic god worshipped at the higher levels of the Masonic Order. On Russell’s tomb stands a pyramid bearing the Knights Templar logo The Golden Age magazine, published by the Watchtower Society, of 26 March 1924 gives us a clue to where the name Watchtower may really have come from. The Society tells us that Mizpah in Hebrew translates into Watchtower. Interestingly one of the important types of magick used by the Illuminati, secret societies and New Agers is Enochian magick. The Watchtowers are a vital part of Enochian magick. Interestingly, three Knights Templar lodges that have the Hebrew name Mizpah were operating in Charles T. Russell’s area. It is also interesting to note that many of Russell's talks were given at Masonic halls for example The Watchtower of 1 December 1923 on page 360 records the use of the Pittsburgh Syria Shrine Temple for the annual meeting of the WTB&TS/Convention. One way Masons recognise each other is by secret signals and handshakes or terms in printed material. It seems odd that in the New World Translation of the Bible at Hosea 12:14 the Hebrew word “adonai” is translated as “grand master” in this one instance only. Could this be a secret sign to other Masons and maybe a clue to translation committee member Frederick Franz’s connection with the Masons. malkiel, you said: Now the people in the 'know', powerful people no less(members of Freemasonry), seem to be putting final touches and making last decisions to finally bring Nimrod's plan to fruition, which is creating a unified front, the Beast (or the UN, the New World Order, etc. ), that will confront Jehovah at Armagedon. Malkiel, No one is going to confront the Jehovah's Witnesses. The watchtower will be making a few changes to help the congregation become more streamlined with christendom. The major religions of worldly christendom have been undergoing a transformation over the last few years and are becoming more in line with what used to be exclusive watchtower doctrine.The origins of pagan holidays have been exposed from the pulpit and religious icons are being discarded as well. The watchtower, along with the other religions, will gradually mesh and become a part of the UN one world religion. It has been planned and contrived for over 100 years.

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Oracle said: I have a wonderful friend who is trapped in this way, and he agonizes on a daily basis about the whole thing. Now just imagine if you were actually at Bethel with your entire life wrapped up in it....that would be exceedingly tough. That is what makes Ray Franz's move all the more remarkable. I would say there are hundreds, if not thousands of people in positions of great responsibility in circuit and district work, and at bethel homes all over the world who have had their awakenings and feel completely trapped. My reply: This is where the sheep and the goats are beginning to separate. It is a choice every one must make on an individual basis. You can't continue on in this org and then say you hold the GB responsible. That's kind of what Adam said...blaming it on someone else. That won't work. You have a choice. It may be costly for many, but Jesus warned that standing for the PEARL of TRUTH comes at a great price. It is the time, RIGHT NOW, to make decisions. Do you stand for truth or will you continue on in a lie? The sheep and goat are now entering their respective quarters. ....one shall be taken and one shall be left behind at Armageddon, yet both shall know the truth, for great is the knowledge of this generation, but one shall sell their soul for a lie, and one shall free their soul from all lies and from all Liars, Deceivers and Religionists.

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Mightyone asks: I have read old information about the mason, illuminati and so forth, is there any concrete link today? My reply: Of course. The founder of the tower was a Knights Templar and the Society was bankrolled with Rothschild money. The founder of Mormonism was also involved in Freemasonry. I think before it's all over, we will find that every religion and religious movement has its origin in Freemasonry. (except for maybe Scientology. That group has an association with Stanford Research Institute mind control experiments.) Here are some links to get you started: http://www.illuminati-news.com/zfjw.htm JW Defector Blows the Whistle On Masonic WTS Board Member Why Would Jews Support Jehovah's Witnesses?Jewish Masonic Roots of Jehovah's WitnessOrder of the Skull and Bones, Chapter 322, and Russell TrustB.C./Yukon Masonic Lodge Caught Lying About Jehovah's Witness FounderRussell An Unoticed FreemasonThe Russell BloodlineThe Watchtower and the MasonsMormon's Masons Christian Science and Jehovah's WitnessSkull and Bones Fostered Communism In RussiaJehovah’s Witnesses file $100,000 suit in Canadian court to silence embarrassing whistle-blower web siteDirty Secrets of the Watchtower Bible and Tract SocietyRothschild, Rockefeller, and Jehovah's Witnesses
Fred Franz consulted with non-JW Jewish consultant for deeper insightAnother Masonic Tombstone Found In the Russell Owned Allegheny GraveyardDid Franz's Bodyguard, An Iraqi Jew, Run The Watchtower?Whistleblower Website Sued By Jehovah's Witness Forced To Shut DownThe Masonic WatchtowersHow Was Hitler Connected to Brooklyn, N.Y. ? or One Religious Manipulation for Allwatchtower.org Does Damage Control On Secret SocietiesPastor Charles Taze Russell: An Early American Christian ZionistWas Charles Russell Murdered and Why On Halloween Night?Pyramidology and Kabbalism Flaunted In Watchtower MagazineCecil Rhodes Scholarship, Rutherford, Franz, and Illuminism

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If the G.B. and WTS don't have good motives, what is the point.....

by Mightyone in

this may be the topic of an old thread but, if the g.b.

and wts don't have good motives, what is the point of the whole religion?

i mean, it doesn't appear that anybody is getting rich or am i missing something.

winnower

Ip Sec said: Someone besides them is pulling the strings behind the curtain. My reply: Yes. There is a higher power behind the Tower...and it ain't "god". The GB are puppets taking orders. Too many people have started to peek behind that curtain. That's why it's time for the curtain to fall.