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  New QFR on May 1 WT reaffirms 1914 and talks about Satan's ouster from Heaven

  by stillajwexelder in

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  no matter how stupid, they can not drop 1914 - far too embarassing.

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  This would have more validity if, in fact, 2520 day/years had a more solid foundation. It should be remembered that to arrive at 1914 you have to start at 606 BCE - sorry, 607 BCE. I forgot that if you want to keep 1914 as THE year you have to 'move' the beginning if you later find a mistake in your calculations. In reality, the fall of Jerusalem has to have the same importance as 1914 - if one is wrong the other, also, has to be by default!

  It amazes me that the WTS is the only organisation, body (whatever you may want to call them) which holds to the idea that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE. Given that, by extrapolation, they have the 'truth' of 1914.

  With that historical background and it's inaccuracy it scares me that they hang on so tenaciously to 1914 as such a pivotal date. Grrrr!
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  Disassociation of Anthony Munoz

  by still_in74 in

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  this letter made my blood boil !

  not at munoz but the wts .

  you can see the whole thing here http://www.exjws.net/pioneers/anthonymunoz.htm.

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  I wonder what those at headquarters think when they read letters like these, and I'm sure they get many. I would hope that it would make at least some think twice.

  Are you sure? As far as I can work they hardly think once sometimes!
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  May 15th Watchtower - New Light?

  by slimboyfat in

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  the new watchtower asks the question: "when was satan cast out of heaven?

  - rev 12:1-9".

  and the answer it gives is: "so, then, the bible does not reveal the exact time when satan and his demons were expelled from heaven.

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  Just throw a spanner in the works.... it's a lesser known fact that World War One didn't offically end until 1919. What happened in 1918 was a signing of the Armistice which called and signalled an end to hostilities. It wasn't until June 1919 that the official and final Peace Treaty was signed in Versailles.

  http://www.firstworldwar.com/source/versailles.htm
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  Blood Suit

  by Kenneson in

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  "jehovah's witness sues over transfusion".

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  http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/02/23/jehovah_s_witness_sues_over_transfusion.htm.

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  At least she's still alive to sue the Medical profession! Idiots..... Grrr.
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  untitled

  by smiddy in

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  i have just been looking at the news regarding the bushfires in victoria (aus.

  ) and the generosity of people is astounding.money in the millions of dollars has been donated with many more programs and benefits still underway.small businesses have donated their goods and services at no cost to the recipients,and individuals have poured in releif beyond beleif to the unfortunate victims.the bulk, at this time is probably going to the bushfire victims ,but we also now have victims of floods in the northern nsw and parts of qld.who also require aid and which is being addressed.

  my point here is these people who give out of their generosity is not governed by their allegiance to a certain creed or beleif system,they give indiscrimanately to all in need ,regardless of political or religous persuasion.

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  Charity begins at home
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  As a JW Did you Feel you Could Fully Trust the Elders ?

  by flipper in

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  i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.

  or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.

  as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.

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  I reckon it's very difficult to trust anyone in their position of 'authority'

  Let's face it, they have their copy of the rule book. Then they expect you to abide by those rules. All well and good if you're allowed to see said rules but you're not - so there is no 'level playing-field'.

  You need to trust them but how can you if they have more information than you?

  I could write a book on this!
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  WANTED ! JW Apologist

  by wobble in

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  this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

  love.

  wobble.. .

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  It's never a question of who asserted dates. The fact remains the society for which you're apologizing has been producing dates right, left and centre! If, as it claims, it's holding fast to the Truth then those dates must be accurate, definable and remain tenable within it's whole belief system.

  I was associated with the JWs since 1969 so please don't assert dates never mean that much to the Society. Thousands, hundreds of thousands, connected themselves to JWs on the basis of 1975... everyone and their friend wanted a degree of proof to give credibility to this magical, JW year - 1975! 1914 was trotted out as being the concrete evidence - absolute datum.... the End Times. "If we can correctly come up with 1914 then surely 1975 is just as valid" was the claim. Clever thing is they NEVER wrote it! I lived through it... damn it, I even taught it.

  1914 was/is pivotal in Witness chronology as is the fact 1919 saw the selection of the FDS. All anybody here is reasonably asking -----

  ----- what is the criteria by which Jesus chose the JWs as THE organisation by which Man gains Salvation? What really qualifies the Fathful and Discrete Slave? The evidence, in my opinion, points to them being just as unfaithful as those they condemn. If God wanted an Organisation that was to be a beacon of light (not hidden under a table) it would have to be morally and notably distinct. It don't think it has ever been that outstanding. I even hold to the idea it has got worse!
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  I am a Return Visit

  by besty in

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  two nice middle aged ladies knocked the door this morning, panda tract in hand.. order of events was panda tract, scripture about each one residing under a fig tree, and then because i didn't object the feb 2009 awake!

  'earth designed for life' <side point - note the magazine title is not in the form of a rhetorical question, but rather a statement of fact>.

  a few questions about my belief in god and i'm in the book for an rv - cool.. so this is a great awake:.

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  "Everything about planet Earth indicates that it was made to support life. Is this situation just an incredible fluke, or does it reflect purposeful design?"

  Let me see..... Everything?........ Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, hurricanes, tornados, meteorites, hailstorms, lightning, flora and fauna ...... , snakes, spiders, berries, fish, frogs ...... some of which have a decided deleterious effect upon the human body!
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  This is where Mary Rutherford lived.

  by VM44 in

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  this is the address where mary rutherford lived up to 1962, the year she died.. what i want to know is who paid for this upscale residence?.

  or was it her son malcolm?

  or did the watchtower?.

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  Hmmm.... all very interesting and worthy of investigation.

  THE article by Dr. [J. W.] Coolidge concerning the application of radium as a vital force is interesting to me. About a year ago I suffered from a severe case of pleuro-pneumonia, and Dr. Coolidge was my physician. During the period of convalescence he provided me with a radio-solar pad, or belt, which I wore with great profit to myself. I have since recommended it to others, who have likewise benefited by it

  And he died from Rectal Cancer? Are the Radium and Cancer connected?

  Controlling Crackpot.

  The more I hear of this man he becomes more despicable - I hate him with a vengeance!
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  Arrrrgghhhh! *@#!$

  by Gladring in

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  i have "myriads and myriads of brothers".

  stuck in my head.

  "all clad in raiment white".

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  "Capable of changing their skin"

  That should give a 'chamelion' thought leading to 'hypocrisy' kind of reasoning