no, I've been out 4 years :) I met with the elders and addressed my concerns and stopped going right then- so it is well known that I've chosen not to be a JW, but I've never been DA'd or DF'd.
Posts by AlyMC
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11Are you part of a progressive Hall?
by Not Feeling It inwith the proliferation of the vague concept (to most jws, not me!
) of a conscience matter, do you think there are more liberal (i don't mean politically) jws?
have you come across many or any halls where the boe or the membership are content to really let the conscience decide the small stuff rather than the iron-fisted approach?.
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What are you drinking right now?
by stillajwexelder ini am drinking real russian vodka (not stoli) mixed with vermouth on ice
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nvrgnbk- just silver. I am cheap (if you can call any patron cheap that is) and I don't know why, but I find clear liquor more aesthetically pleasing for shots. I was actually craving a good top shelf vodka and grapefruit juice last night, but I don't know much about vodka brands and varieties so I haven't bought any.
Right now I'm sipping black coffee. not that it matters, but A Dark Roast, South American, and fair trade variety (which I tend to prefer to an African variety).
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USA - Who to vote for President = Woman {Hilary} or Blackman {Obama} -cool!
by Witness 007 in.
and thank god george bushes term will soon be over and he did'nt start armagedon......{dumb texan accent} "now what does this button do..." blaaaam..
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AlyMC
It is sad that the gender or color is even an noteworthy factor, you know? But I'm likewise thankful that true equality is finally starting. I've always felt that true equality wasn't achieved until here was equal opportunity in positions of power and government. I am glad we're reaching that as a country.
I am voting for Obama in the primaries as I prefer him to Clinton... even though as a woman with 3 daughters the idea of having a strong female president does appeal to me. I'm just not fond of her personally.
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Do they still call you "for your time" for this month?
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land inwe got woke up this morning (again) by a call from one of the elders or his ms assistant, looking for "our time report" for this past month.
i've been out for over two years (faded), my wife and the kids haven't attended hardly any meetings since the memorial... talk about clueless.
no "shepherding calls" on her (thank goodness!
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AlyMC
hmm... no, not at all. Even the very first month I quit going they pretty much knew I was choosing not to keep going and never called me even once for my time or for encouragement. Maybe that is because they came over to answer my questions, and I had enough objections that they might have written me off as a lost cause. Since reading here I'm surprised they let me go so easily. I raised all the normal apostate issues, but I only talked to elders about it- so maybe they didn't feel they had grounds to DF me but also didn't really want me around their sheeple?
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What are you drinking right now?
by stillajwexelder ini am drinking real russian vodka (not stoli) mixed with vermouth on ice
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AlyMC
Ice water... trying to prevent waking up with a headache after a couple patron shots this evening.
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Are you part of a progressive Hall?
by Not Feeling It inwith the proliferation of the vague concept (to most jws, not me!
) of a conscience matter, do you think there are more liberal (i don't mean politically) jws?
have you come across many or any halls where the boe or the membership are content to really let the conscience decide the small stuff rather than the iron-fisted approach?.
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AlyMC
I do think there is a variance. When my DH was in college in Austin, the elders were almost understanding of us missing meetings and came over often to check on us in a very loving/non condemning manner. After bookstudy on goody night there was almost always beer in that hall as well. Most other places I've lived have not been that way at all... at all.
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"This change shows how close the end we REALLY are..............."
by Warlock inaccording to one of my relatives, the co said, on a recent visit, that the offer of "everlasting life" will be brief and to the point.. when street witnessing, if people refuse, do not chase them.
in the door to door work, if someone is not interested, do not persist, just leave.. according to my relative, these changes really show "how close to the end we really are".. why is it that every change is interpreted as "this change shows how close to the end we really are"?.
i have come to realize that the wts are masters at jerking people around, and i really hate it!.
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AlyMC
This is what we hear from my MIL when we talk to her... how close we really are. Obviously hoping to encourage us. Same stuff I was hearing when I was 5.
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Counseling/Guiding your kids on their sexual awakening...
by TJ - iAmCleared2Land inif the mods feel this should be moved to 'relationships', which is clearly labeled 'sex', that's fine.
i think it more appropriately falls under 'family, teens', as i am looking for advice from parents with kids about how they plan to manage/guide their child's transformation from teen to adult.. do you still subscribe to the no-sex-before-marriage rule for your kids?
i, personally, don't.
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AlyMC
This is one of the hardest things for me to navigate as a mama. Growing up it was so "hush, hush, shame, shame, bad, bad" that it is hard for me not to revert back to that on an reactionary level.
I'm not opposed to premarital sex, or sex outside of a long term committed relationship. I think it is ok for sex to be physical sometimes if that is what both partners hope to get out of it and nobody is being mislead. I really hope my kids wait until after they are 25 to choose a long term partner, but I don't expect them to wait that long to experience sexual contact.
I plan to tell my kids that some people do A, some do B and that they have to look within to figure out their truth. The only one who can figure out what they can live with internally (long term) is them. I think it is important to empower them and give them control over their own sexuality, because anything else is just perceived control. (IOW, they are the only ones who truly have control, so be honest about it.)
And of course, they will be well educated on birth control, STD's, and their body. I hope they will understand how the body works (aka natural family planning). My goal now is just to be calm, honest, open, and casual about the topic. So far so good.
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What lengths did you go to, to not miss meetings?
by exwitless ini posted this in another thread, but i thought it would merit a thread.
the elders in our cong.
likened missing a memorial to an "unforgivable sin".
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AlyMC
We used to go to the conventions, sleep in- show up for the lunch hour and walk around like we had been there all morning (never bringing in "stuff") and then leave again and go off and explore the town. Everyone always thought we were there- but we weren't. For a few years we went to a convention that had a sky walk to a hotel (not approved) and we LOVED staying there. Made our adventure SO easy.
So I guess like Oompa, we went through lengths to miss things :)
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What is your current status with the Watchtower Society and Congregation?
by RULES & REGULATIONS ini'm a baptized member considered ''inactive.
'' i don't hand in ''service reports'',attend maybe 3 meetings a month,ain't signed up for the ministry school and will never attend any convention or the ''book study.
'' always make the ''memorial.
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AlyMC
I have no idea. I thought I faded, but the descriptions around here make me think I didn't fade so much.
In late winter 2004 I told DH I was leaving, then talked to the elders as he requested. I told them all my concerns and objections (standard doctrine issues) and they bluffed their way through our "meeting". I wasn't impressed, stopped going to meetings then. A month or two later went to my last memorial and never went back. it was obvious that the rumor mills went around the way nobody talked to me (plus the news traveled to our family out of state)
They all know that we celebrate, and vote, and that I look "worldly". When I first left I posted all over a parenting board about my journey and disbelief- a board I shared with several sisters in my congregation. We have an open family blog that indicates all of those things we do "wrong"- but I've been gone a long time. Nobody seems to care about defining our status.
So we went out openly and honestly... but nobody cared to try and DF me.