hmm... nothing stays that quiet in our family I guess. Our family wasn't even in the same state as us and they knew before we told them. I would just go with the honest "I'm not sure" and then I'd ask them a question. People love to talk about themselves. ;o)
Posts by AlyMC
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how do you handle relatives questions on your jw status?
by atpeace ini was curious how others handled the questions like - so, when is your convention, how many publishers do you have now, etc.
these questions always come up with the once a year visit to jw relatives.
usually it's asked in earshot of my jw parents.
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Ideas to help w/ Still-believing mates
by FreeWilly ini've been reading alot of posts about spouses trying to get through to their mates still in dubville - with mixed results.
it seems to go like this: after some internal questioning the exiting mate shares what they learn with the stilladub mate.
at first the stilladub mate may be receptive and even share some of their own doubts and unresolved questions.
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AlyMC
I suppose you can say that I won my spouse over "without a word". I guess that one came back to bite them in the ass.
On principle I completely agree, at least in my experience, subtle conversations about how the JW life/org tends to completely control and manipulate to the point of loosing free will and identity went a long way with my husband. He wasn't interested in doctrinal research or arguments, but he really related to these concepts. -
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Kids Still Get Whacked @ Armageddon. Current Light. (With Pix!)
by Open mind inif you've clicked around on other sites, you can find the troubling picture i grew up with from the old orange paradise lost book.
a big old armageddon earthquake that is swallowing up people, churches, a bicycle, a dog!
) and of course, a little girl in a dress that is indelibly planted in my memory chips.
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AlyMC
I'm not sure I'm familiar with the book being discussed. I remember some depictions from the bible story book though. When I got pregnant with my first everyone told me to start reading from it then- so like a good little mommy I went to the counter and got one. Got home and suddenly remembered the depictions as I glanced through it. I threw it out, and even though we kept going until she was 3- I remained opposed to the BTB.
I always wondered how other parents resonated the viewing of violent depictions in their literature, but not in Alladin.
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JWs selling Bossert Hotel-New York Times Article 1-30-08
by AndersonsInfo innew york times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/30/nyregion/30hotel.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion&oref=slogin.
hotel where dodgers celebrated a title is up for sale .
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AlyMC
This is something that has always perplexed me and my husband both. Where does the money go. Assuming they are building a stockpile of money and wealth, who will eventually cash in on it? Is there someone up at the top actually looking to profit? When and how will they personally benefit from financial prosperity?
If all the money is reinvested into worldwide work- then it seems that those running the show are also believers and that makes it much harder to feel purposely deceived and more misguided by the misguided.
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It's tough letting go
by B_Deserter inyou know, we all like to talk about how awful the congregations we attended were, but at the end of the day, most of us are here because we need support letting go of our friends and family.
personally, i had and still do have occasionally (because i haven't faded yet) great times with some of my friends.
yeah, it's all based on our religion and they wouldn't be my friends if i didn't believe it.
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AlyMC
Maybe the true friends, will stay your friends. Even though I'm openly agnostic and openly make choices they don't agree with- a few special ones have remained good friends with me over the years regardless. I don't preach to them and they don't preach to me... but we're still always there for each other.
It really was hard letting go though, and for me it really upset me to be thought of as "weak" when I felt stronger than I ever had before. It is a tough transition, and somehow if you allow yourself to really complete the transition- you will find a peace and happiness that you couldn't find before. -
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how can I try to find a lost freind that may have been DF'd?
by Alex Delta incan anyone tell me how they may approach this situation?
you've been out for a while and you move far away.
plenty of time passes by and you know by the odds at least some of those friends you had growing up as a witness should be df'd or they've disassociated them selves.
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AlyMC
I've reconnected with a few old friends through myspace by searching their name :)
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Joy Or Sorrow When You First Found Out It Was False?
by serotonin_wraith infor me, it was joy.
i was raised in the religion, and i always figured i'd be dying along with 6 billion others because i hated the meetings, the preaching work and the rules, morality and threats of 'jehovah'.
i did not want it to be true.. for others here, finding out it was false was a hard time to go through.. as well as asking which feelings you had at first (joy/sorrow/or add your own) i have a follow up question for those who found it hard- what was it that made the impending deaths of 6 billion people okay for you?
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AlyMC
I always thought it was false, so when I first started connecting things myself I was conflicted. Then when I started really seeing it, I was nervous about my future (would my partner stay with me, etc). Once I came to peace with it, I was relieved.
eta- I gues I shouldn't say I always thought it was false... it was more that it was never "real" to me or in my heart. But I thought something was wrong with me, not it. -
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My step daughter (5th generation) is checking out JWD
by wings inshe is 27, and a very special sensitive soul.
would anyone be willing to post a link to their stories for her?
i think it would help her understand she is not alone.
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AlyMC
Welcome, Mandy :) I don't have my story written out anywhere, or I'd share it.
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Watchtower teachings
by jacethespace ina while ago i did a thread about the nephillim and was wondering whether the fallen angels were physical beings.. some here mentioned the watchtower reasoning about how the fallen angels who had children with the women [ in genesis 6] took on human bodies then discarded them when god sent the flood over the earth.. i thought about this and looked at the scriptures and realised that there is no scripture to back the watchtowers reasoning up on " the sons of god" taking fleshly bodies.then discarding them in the flood.this shows how the tower has an "answer for everything" mentally.. is there any other beliefs that the watchtower has gotten us to believe in which cant be backed up by scripture?.
while i was studying i was intrested to know what happened to enoch.in genesis 5:24- and enoch walked with god and he was not for god took him.i was told that god put enoch to sleep to spare him from the wicked around him that would have killed him.although there is no evidence either in the scriptures for this.it just shows how the watchtower interprets things for themselves..
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AlyMC
The teaching of Jesus as Michael the Archangel? Judas not partaking?
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What are your Guilty Pleasures of a geeky/nerdy variety?
by Crumpet ini don't mean the ones we know about already - things people wouldn't think you did or enjoyed to look at you.. i love watching ray mears extreme survival and learning about how to survive and find food and shelter in extreme climates even though there is a strong possibility that i shall never try and escape naked from a japanese prisoner of war camp, or crash without a flagon of water into the sahara, or come stuck in my ship in a freezing ice plateau in deepest antartica.
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what's your guilty geeky pleasure?.
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AlyMC
I actually read through some of these things thinking "crap, that's geeky?" I guess not knowing that much of this is geeky is inherently geeky, eh?
I love foreign films with subtitles. I love comic books. I love anime. I love fantasy books (elves and such). I read text books for fun if the subject is interesting to me. I can't live without my blackjack (pda style phone)... I am a little ADD and was always missing engagements and never accomplishing anything before I had it. On my list of "biggest turn ons" is someone using a word that I don't know. I love that. LOL
But on the flip side, I have a horrible memory and can't remember trivia type stuff to save my life. I can't read manuals or anything else that I'm not completely interested in. I have to figure out anything I'm making as I go- it kills me to read directions. I am easily amused by electronics, but don't enjoy perusing electronics I don't need. And I can't help but giggle at people who get into anything fantasy related to the point of being... umm... well... behaving silly.
So I'm not ALL geek :)