Welcome Tomcat!!
enjoy your time here!
Greven.
it seems clear that the gb are hurting.
recent media attacks over pedophilia, combined with revelations of hypocrisy over the un and even personal accusations against members of the gb themselves has meant that those at the top of the ivory tower are feeling more vulnerable than ever before.
the law is increasingly being used to bring these monsters to book.. .
Welcome Tomcat!!
enjoy your time here!
Greven.
can someone explain the paranoia that exists regarding flashbulbs at the assemblies ???.
i mean, it's not like we have never seen them before and they would draw our attention away from something.
if anything, when you see a lot of flashing lights, it draws attention to the person or event, not to the cameras.
Please! No pictures! No autographs! No I won't sign your boobs sister! Get off the stage! I am performing here, you know!
I agree with francois on the control thingy. They say it with babtism also and that won't distract any speaker, right? No cheering too, just a modest applause y'hear!
Greven.
it seems clear that the gb are hurting.
recent media attacks over pedophilia, combined with revelations of hypocrisy over the un and even personal accusations against members of the gb themselves has meant that those at the top of the ivory tower are feeling more vulnerable than ever before.
the law is increasingly being used to bring these monsters to book.. .
I do agree with francois that we do ourselves no good by flaming. However I do not think it will put of possible interested people. We never claimed to be one united brothership. We never claimed to be unified. We never claimed to be God's organization. And we certainly do not claim to be his mouthpiece or prophet.
We are individuals with different hopes, ideas and ideals. Naturally these will clash now and then, resulting in conflict and flamewars. But it is nothing to get really excited about, aslong as we aknowledge our human fallibilty and respect the beliefs of others. This is something they lack.
Greven.
hi, i have my first post under scandals and cover ups, so i thought anyways i would introduce myself here, and a wonderful embrace to you all.. my friend and i just escaped from the borg, i used to be a pioneer, and he was raised a witness, all his life.
but we got to see the watchtower for what it is, a loveless, selfish, whitewashed grave.. i am glad we are out and never going back, i was up all night, after considering getting reinstated, till we opened up the bible, just the bible and started reading.. god answered my prayers, my friend posted his feelings on anointed gathering, under elumn8.
please give him your support even if some you dont understand the anointed stuff.. we cant wait to get acquanted further with your site, and see how this all unfolds.
Welcome aboard Fruitcake!
Nice nickname you've got there!
Now drop your socks and grab your throttle!!!
Greven.
good day all my fellow jw.comers .
i found this interesting to read.. .
yearbook 1987 page 177. surprised, too, were the clergy, who did not expect this invasion of what they viewed as their pastures!
The WTS warned me time and time again, not to talk to apostates...And look where I am now.
Yes, I think by their continuing: do not touch, do not listen, do not see, people will get curious and will investicate. And that that will be their downfall.
Greven
ok......i have access to wt literature dating all the way back to 1919!
this is not a permanent access but a temporary one.
so please tell me what books, mags, brochures, etc.
I also have other subjects I will be writing papers on posting and printing out.
Very interesting U_R! Please keep us updated!
Greven.
Edited by - greven on 27 January 2003 6:14:56
we as a family allways wanted a family pet as in (dog ) but as the ministry loomed every weekend ,as well as the meetings we decided that it would be to much trouble ,subconciously the influence came from other members in the congregation ,which in turn came from the elders in turn from the bethel ,allways sprouting on about the ministry first ,you never had time for anything elsemow ,yes a dog would be to much trouble,but now,for the past two /half years my younger children are enjoying the companionship of an animal in the house,as well as 2 cats which we have had for past eight years,.
did you find time for animals.. what did you miss out on ,allso for past 14 years we have had different caravans and motor homes ,.
what did you miss out on when in the borg ,and how did it affect you.
DID YOU FIND TIME FOR ANIMALS?.
Yes, that was never an issue. We had one dog and two cats first. Now we just have two cats. Because my parents were very disgrunted for not being allowed to persue higher education they made sure I and my sis were allowed to get as far as we could. Resulting in university for me.
What I did miss out on was: having normal friends over (somehow those JW friends were always weird folk, like intelectual zombies) and ofcourse: SEX. doh!
Greven.
we all have special talents, that other people dont know about.
did you ever do something out of the ordinary?
do you have a special talent?
My main talent is that I don't brag about it.
Greven
i have only been an active member for a couple of days here, or a newbie as we are affectionatley called.
since i have been here though, on a few occasions, i have been asked about my choice of nicname and what it means or why i chose it.
since there is a reason behind it, and in my mind it stands for something, i thought i would share it's orgins with you all.
Tatiana,
I was first!
Greetz,
Greven.
i have only been an active member for a couple of days here, or a newbie as we are affectionatley called.
since i have been here though, on a few occasions, i have been asked about my choice of nicname and what it means or why i chose it.
since there is a reason behind it, and in my mind it stands for something, i thought i would share it's orgins with you all.
i think it is a sham......i think it is a money pit that holds it's members captive by manipulation and fear......if god does exist he would not what to be represented by anything even remotley close to the religions of today.
So true!
Greven.