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  Clapping

  by Stefanie in

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  i was just remembering in the hall i attended, the "friends" would clap when someone got reinstated, then they stopped when there was a talk from the platform about it being inappropriate.

  i was just wondering why they say something like that.

  and it would seem to me that people going back in were doing them a favor, why would they be so cruel.

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  Angels in heaven are cheering for every repenting sinner, yet witnesses are told not to clap. Also the prodigal son was mentioned. These people claim to follow the bible but thread upon the most beautifull examples of love and forgiveness.

  Greven
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  What Did you Plan On Doing In The New System?

  by minimus in

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  every child and bible student was told about how wonderful the "new system" was going to be.

  "and what animal do you want to have in the new system?

  "......that was a very typical question.

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  Being bored. An eternity is long and lasting. Think about it! At a certain point you are done petting animals, know all there is to learn and have done all that can be done. You get bored everlasting! It would be hell on earth.

  Greven
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  I outgrew the "truth"

  by micheal in

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  as the saying goes, "you only live once".

  with that, after being a witness for 15 years it was just time to move on to something else.. .

  yes i believe the witnesses do not have the ultimate truth as they believe they do, which helped in my decision to move on.

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  I felt the same way too!

  It is like growing up and realizing the stories about Santa and other fairytales are just that. Childish stories that have no resemblance to reality. I felt that way about "The Truth". At a certain point it became an insult to my intelligence to listen to the crap from the stage.

  Greven
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  Another JW topic........at the door..........

  by Dawn in

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  another idea for a question to as the jw's....... me: would you accept something that was told to you as fact without the ability to verify that information?

  (hopefully they would not be so stupid as to say yes.......duh...........).

  me: so can you explain to me how you use this nwt bible when you can not verify that the bible translators were actually bible scholars?.

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  Good points!
  

  If they do respond with "they are anonymous because they give glory to god" you can ask them why the bible writers Matthew, Mark etc did put their names on their writings. They'll have to admit that it adds credibility to the claims. Would they accept treatment by a docter that refuses to state his credentials or name, to the glory of God?

  Greven

  (edited because of a sudden atack of dyslexia)
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  I made it...

  by SYN in

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  i'm at my new work in brisbane as we speak!

  just thought i'd inform y'all...if any aussie posters want to get in touch with me, do send me a pm.. regards,.

  syn

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  Good to have you back!

  Maybe you can read Pratchett's Last Continent to refresh your memory on down under habits!

  Greven
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  name a place that has no jws.

  by badboy in

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  saudi arabia.

  trobriand islands(i think i have spelled it right) off papua new guinea

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  Mars
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  How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

  by hooberus in

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  many skeptics assert that the bible must be wrong, because they claim that the ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals.

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/cen_v19n2_animals_ark.asp

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  El Blanco,

  But, as I said earlier, it is simply a matter of ' faith '. I believe in God, I believe that God can do whatever he chooses to do, in whatever way possible.

  It is refreshing to hear you say that your belief in based on faith. I have no problem with that at all. I do have problems though, with people that assert that their beliefs are supported by evidence, like many funnymentalists claim. Think christian science for example. Usually they come up with all sorts of how it could have been scenario's with many maybe's and wild unsupported assumptions. Believing is one thing, claiming to prove it emperically is another. I do have some sidenotes on your post though:

  The account is sketchy at best in Genesis, yet appears to be backed up by many accounts in myth and legend.

  The bible is pretty clear in that it was global, and quite devastating to life on earth. Myth and legend are not reliable material to back up something that is hard to believe anyway. There are many common themes in legend, myths and ancient litterature which could point to either a common source of the story or simular things happening to people at different places. Local floods are not uncommon and could easily develop into legend. Dragons and other monsters also are a common theme in many myths around the globe. They do not become more real with each myth. In other words, backing up (suspected) myth with other myths or legends doesn't help much.

  The Bible itself and the fact that we are talking about it now is remarkable within itself.

  The bible endured many hardships but so did countless other religious writings like the Koran and Veda's. Also don't forget the writings of ancient greek philosopher's that were sometimes atheistic/agnostic in nature that have endured persecution from religious people. This is a well known fallacy known as argument from tradition/persecution. If one really believes a book can save your life it is not remarkable to see it getting passed on despite persecution. Besides, the bible did not survive intact. There are many lost books, gospels and writings that are refered to in the bible that are no longer in existance (some fragments are found though). Even today there are many different versions of the bible.

  Even if it were not absolutely factual, it is does not discount the existence of God or even the degradation in morality we see within the world scene today, which I believe will be brought to an end.

  I agree that disproving the bible does not prove the non-existance of God at all. But.. a degradation of morality? That depends on your world vision I guess. I think that in the former century large progress has been made in regards to human rights, emancipation and law (children rights, freedom of speech and religion etc). We saw the abolishment of slavery and apartheid. Surely enough, not all's well but claiming a moral degradation takes place requires a bit of doomthinking.

  It also does not discount the general moral themes and principles put forth by the scriptures.

  I find it hard to speak of general moral principles in regards to the bible. Surely I admire most of the moral lessons to be found in the teaching of Christ. However they stand in huge contrast with the barbarism of many OT passages. Christs admonishment to 'love your enemy', 'do not judge' and 'turn the other cheek' would be blasphemy to many of the OT heroes like Joshua. There is good to be found in the bible for sure, but much more evil is to be found in it's pages.

  Do you rule out the supernatural completely?

  As explanation for phenomenons, yes. Naturalistic explanations work just fine. 'Supernatural' is just a word for everything that lies outside of the realm of current knowledge. Sure enough there are forces or other things we don't know about. However, the supernatural is often used to temporary 'fill the gaps'. This supernatural explanation then takes on the form/definition of a certain entity, God or some other diety the speaker is arguing for. Thor, the god of Thunder was used as such a supernatural explanation for this phenomenon until a more suitable and correct naturalistic one could be found. Gaps in current knowledge should remain just that. "We don't know at the moment" would be a better thing to say then "God (or some other supernatural entity) did it".

  I hope you do not feel like I am bashing you here. May I ask you in turn, how you view the bible? Literal, symbolic or something in between? (Partly) Inspired? Errant or Inerrant?

  Greven
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  The Meaning of Life

  by darkuncle29 in

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  are there any monty python fans around here?.

  i just rented the dvd, the meaning of life, interesting movie.

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  Monty Python, Black Adder, Douglas Adams, Terry pratchett....I can't get enough of it!

  Greven
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  Smallville?

  by U.2.K. Tha Greate$t in

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  anybody else enjoy watching smallville?

  im very closed minded so i dont agree with that space whatever crap storyline, but the other storyline is kinda good and besides i have always been a superman fan.

  everybody wanna fly right?

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  I have sort of a crush on Lana...

  Greven
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  How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

  by hooberus in

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  many skeptics assert that the bible must be wrong, because they claim that the ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals.

  http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/docs/cen_v19n2_animals_ark.asp

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  For the flood account as described in the bible to have been true it requires not one but scores of miracles to be explained.

  Trying to prove Noah's Ark ' scientifically ', according to our current knowledge base seems to me to be futile and ultimately worthless.

  Why so? Miracle or not, a global flood would leave it's traces don't you think? It sure is possible with current science to tell if such an event did occur in the earth's history. Would God miraculously remove all evidence of this event?

  Greven