kaik wrote:
None of the tribes of Israel exists anymore.
Who says? God scattered them into all nations, so they are "scattered," not living in 12 lump sums. :)
Not everyone who is a citizen of Israel is Jew...
No kidding. I never said they were.
...and not every Jew is interested to live in Israel.
Again, no joke. The majority of them live here in USA.
How I know? I am married to one.
And how do I know? I used to work for one for many years & had a bestest girlfriend who was/is one. (She was JW, the employer was not).
None of the mentioned tribes of the Revelation has whatsoever association with a current state of Israel...
You really don't know that for a fact. You don't know WHO they are, or WHERE they are. SOME may be there. SOME may not be there.
Besides, Revelation is FUTURE still. The Judeo-Masons w/Rothschild Money, who set up & are running Israel, are phoneys for sure, they are "those who say they are Jews but are not & do lie" (Rev. 2:9 & 3:9). However, they will deceive World Jewry everywhere (eventually) that they need to flee to Israel, even the ones who at present have no desire to do so (not that they ALL will). How might they do that? Since the majority live in the USA, some day they may cause something horrifying to happen here in the USA that will scare USA-Jews to flee to Israel (just like they scared European Jewry via WW2/Holocaust to "prompt them" to move to Israel).
I already warned my former boss to NEVER MOVE THERE no matter what happens... unless he wants to be found practically at the feet of the Antichrist someday who will make a showing of himself in Jerusalem in the future.
The full 144,000 of the future may not necessarily ALL be in Current-Israel at that time. Some may be, some may not. Matthew 24:31 says the Lord Jesus Christ will "gather his elect from the four winds of the heavens" AFTER He comes back.
(Israel) ...where majority of people do not give a rat about Revelation.
Again, no kidding. Nobody said Modern-Israel would become "very religious." As a majority they never will. Scripture says 2/3 will be killed, only a 1/3 remnant will God save "through the fire" of the Tribulation: Zech. 13:8-9.
The Lord Jesus Christ picks the 144,000 remnant, no matter where they are scattered on the planet, whether some, or all, are now, or will eventually be, living in Modern-Israel. But Modern-Israel will have nothing to do with the choosing of the 144,000. Jesus does the choosing. God ALWAYS has had & will have a faithful remnant of Original Israel. Otherwise He would be a liar. Paul confirmed this in Romans ch.11 (see bottom).
To whom John wrote and dedicated his book is a guess that is 1900 years old. Back in the 100AD the early Christians were already confused on the meaning of the book.
People give up way too easy on Scripture. "We can't understand it, so it CANNOT be true," yadda yadda yadda. You may be confused about it, but it's really not that complicated. People are just not looking for understanding, evidently. Easier to give up. Try BELIEVING what it says, then look for answers/understanding. If you're saved, ask the Lord for direction.
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Romans 11
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; t hat blindness in part is happened to Israel, **UNTIL** the fulness of the Gentiles be come in .
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
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