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  Is this the earliest WT reference to 1975?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought that the 1975 thing started in the mid to late 60's, but it seems the seeds were sown two decades earlier.is this the earliest reference to it?.

  18 how many today are awake to the fact that the lord christ jesus, by his resurrection of the faithful bride members that slept in death, is taking his "bride" unto his father's house and the marriage of the lamb has begun' .... they do not say, 'it is a long time yet to the wind-up, and, according to the present understanding of bible chronology, six thousand years of human history will end first in the coming seventies and till then it is a long stretch to serve the lord continuously and undividedly.'.

  ... they keep their eye and heart on jehovah's kingdom, and not on the time clock.

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  is a great find
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  I wonder if he's run !
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  The Elders are Coming Help!

  by LaurenM in

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  2. beliefs

  so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).

  i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.

  i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?

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  great idea from Stan, perhaps up the request to a couple of thousand, car needs a big service, electric and gas bill is high, you wont hear much more from them.
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  Hypothetical question. There is no more guns on our streets, would the crime rate go down?

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it would eliminate drive by's (gangs).

  bank robbery.

  ( handing the bank teller a note, this is stick up without a gun).

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  Simon;Operation Trident
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  Hypothetical question. There is no more guns on our streets, would the crime rate go down?

  by James Mixon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it would eliminate drive by's (gangs).

  bank robbery.

  ( handing the bank teller a note, this is stick up without a gun).

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  guns are not legal in the UK yet we have shootings on a daily basis, gun crime is at endemic proportions here, logic tells me; ban anything and it will go underground perhaps to an even higher level when they were legal, I think an often quoted example here is the waiting list on the HNS for a non emergency operation is up to a year, know the right contacts and a gun and ammo can be delivered to you within an hour!
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  Changes and why

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so far these are all the recent changes i know of, please add more if i have missed anything.. 1. all construction projects have either been stopped or reduced.. 2. all bethels are downsizing by at least 20% within one year of the announcement, and almost certainly more in years to come.. 3. remaining belelites will have to make their own food, do their own washing and cleaning.. no more laundry department, no more kitchen and waiters, no more housekeeping!.

  and you still only get 80 per month, but no rent or bills, and food will be provided in the family fridge but you have to prepare it yourself.. as to why, it has been said several times officially its not because of a lack of funds, but how could that possibly be the truth?.

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  how can you tell a GB member is lying? his lips are moving
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  What is the alternative to JW?

  by Formerbrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.

  im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?

  the the bible is word?

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  the monopoly on God, only you can be saved if you join us, typical of every single cult out there, they have distorted the message of Christianity so severely that if you challenge any jw or cultist to give to their version of the Kingdom of God and the message of what Christianity really is with a few sentences then only read what the Bibles hope is for mankind they are a million miles apart, they have elevated men to be as almost and sometimes more important then the Creator and Jesus Christ himself, look how CT Russell and his followers called him The Faithful and Wise Servant, how that bumbling old fool Fred Franz was the Oracle, and how the modern day Governing Body members are likewise worshipped, how many Christian groups are there? 40,000 odd? they is no them and us, we are all in it togther, the jw's claim that god has always had a select group of people for his name from the Nation of Israel onwards to Christians from the 1st century to now, that logic and reasoning is so fundamentally flawed it is laughable. In a nutshell they would be as far as possibly could be removed to be nearest to having the truth then any other religion out there, I find it hard to believe that a high control dangerous group like them could be classified as such, they have a history of many failed doctrines and prophecies,blatant lies and dishonesty, still cover over proportionally the worst child abuse scandal that could hit any church or group out there, sorry but a massive fail from me and many many millions more
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  CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?

  by Listener in

  1. jw
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  john cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".

  i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.

  he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.

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  that's generally how they seem to act Cofty, I've been on the receiving end of this type of behaviour as has Cedars in recent weeks, shame really, no chance at all that we can just try and get on with our activism together, their stupidity and childishness is breathtaking at times. Very early in my fade all those years ago I came across this behaviour from a very well known UK outreach group whose founder died a couple of years back, I always wondered why I was excluded from their activities and thought that my experiences in leaving the WTS could have been a help to others who contacted their group, I believe they had a role called an Area Representative or something very similar, yet I never heard anything from them ever, because I never embraced their version of evangelical christianity, in conversations I'd had with them I was told in no uncertain terms in was imperative I become "born again" and join up with one of their approved churches, I learnt that one former exjw who is a good friend now was subjected to even far worse name calling, ridicule and judgement because he dare question them over some minor doctrine, I wish they could see how many times they go wrong.
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  Sometimes I think Jehovah's Witnesses overuse the word "historic"

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. scandals

  at the beginning of the may broadcast stephen lett said this was a historic broadcast.

  he explained that every member of the governing body had hosted a show and they were starting over again.

  that was all the explanation he gave.

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  I wonder if they ever think the figure 7000 hours could be historic? the time it takes a member of the public to be recruited
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  Feeling rejected

  by Esmeralda001 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  just a little disclaimer: english isn't my first language (i'm from france) thus the poor writing skills.here is the situation: i'm not a jw.

  however, i'm in the process of becoming one.

  in fact, i'm studying with the jw's, and i'll proceed to become an unbaptized publisher as soon as i finish the first book.to make a long story short i was introduced to the truth when i was 18een.

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  Hi, I'd stop the study as soon as you can, and try and forget becoming an unbaptized publisher, this group will bring non stop problems and issues in your life if you continue your association with them, they are incredibly dishonest, blatant liars in fact, hide more issues to regards to child abuse, well over 100 years of failed prophecies and doctrines, their hypocrisy is breathtaking, look to another interest, take up a hobby, your physical and mental health are really at risk the longer to associate with them.