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  The Catholic Perspective

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in another thread, bts quoted this catholic doctrinal paraphrasing of adam and eve:.

  http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p7.shtml#390.

  god created man in his image and established him in his friendship.

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  DJPoetech

  If we believe death is the ultimate end result, life thus becomes the means to death.
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  Restraining order against me from my JW Wife

  by karlosranson in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i should have posted this earlier for assistance.

  i left jw two months ago and since then my life has almost been a lifetime movie.

  long story short, my soon to be ex-wife believes i am full of the world, satan, etc etc.

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  DJPoetech

  OMG! I hate what this org does to families.

  Decided to have second child 10/07...

  Disassociated 04/08...

  Was served divorce papers 10/08...

  Its f'd up!
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  No Need For EdenTree Unless God Knew An Angle was...

  by Sayswho in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  no need for eden tree unless god knew an angle was...going to try and foil his purpose for other life forms.this has always not added up for me.

  there is really no reason for the tree (s) unless god knew that he had angles that were already bad in their 'hearts'.

  so the questions i have on this are.... were the angles tested to see if they would remain faithful?were humans created to be the test for the angles?was it was 'fair' to have spirit creatures (millions of years old?

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  I love that WontLeave!!!

  Makes me think of God planting this seed for this potential tree in the ground. He knows there is a portion that will remain under the soil but also that there is this portion that will rise above it and eventually feel His light.

  The hardest part is the living plant breaking away from the dead shell.

  I guess he is just watering us now.

  DJP
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  The Catholic Perspective

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in another thread, bts quoted this catholic doctrinal paraphrasing of adam and eve:.

  http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p7.shtml#390.

  god created man in his image and established him in his friendship.

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  DJPoetech

  PSac,

  I wish the act of choosing a different doctrine or no doctrine at all was met with such acceptance.

  When you have tradition intermingling with doctrine, its a coctail for authoritarian control.

  Leaving a set of beliefs and traditions could be similar to coming out of the closet for certain individuals.

  Seems easy to say but the cost to "do" is weighty and heavy.

  The reason I think more independantly thinking individuals find evangelicals so icky, is because of this very aspect of their approach. Almost this "resistance is futile" sort of attitude. Total lack of freewill although saying its all about freewill. Its hypocritical.
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  To Verderner (Worlds Apart) on You Tube w/Eng Captions

  by cabasilas in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i don't know if this has been posted yet or not.

  looks like it's just been posted to you tube.

  a powerful danish movie about jws and shunning and its impact on families.

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  DJPoetech

  If anyone is curious as to how to record these youtube videos onto your computer just in case they stop serving them, you can do it with Firefox web browser.

  Download the browser

  http://www.mozilla.com/products/download.html?product=firefox-3.6.13&os=win&lang=en-US

  Then addon Downloadhelper

  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?q=download+helper&cat=all&x=0&y=0

  After that you should be able to download all of these movies so that it will never be taken away....

  Love this film by the way.
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  The Catholic Perspective

  by sabastious in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in another thread, bts quoted this catholic doctrinal paraphrasing of adam and eve:.

  http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt1art1p7.shtml#390.

  god created man in his image and established him in his friendship.

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  ^ I don't believe you can be a subject of another entity while at the same time being in "friendship." To me, friendship is an equality whereas Adam's relationship with God was not equal so I would not call them "in friendship".

  I kinda halfway agree. I agree its not a friendship. It was supposed to be like a father to children relationship.

  So God creates me with free will since I can "freely" choose to be in submission to him or choose independence. Then he withholds friendship, and all benefits that come with that, for not choosing to live in submission.

  This shows 1) a misunderstanding of freewill and 2) assumption you know all the in's and out's of the costs of a decision utilizing free will.

  1. Assuming we were "given" freewill, we were given enough of it to deny even the very fact that we "received" it. This is something many of us "choose" to excersise.

  2. Our human perspective leaves us sadly lacking in dealing with a possible spirit realm and the benefits/detriments there in. Some choose to believe that those benefits never existed. Some await it in some possible future state. If we assume we know everything then you close the door on the possibility of learning anything more than you can measure or count.

  Your feelings are valid but I have to "pump the brakes" when it seems as we are going down the same tired road of "self-realization". because we are still here and progressing as a species

  You show your hand in that statement. The question would be "Are" we progressing and in what sense. There are many things showing that we are not, but that is another thread. We are either at the greatest point of human history or we are setting ourselves up for the biggest fail ever known to man.

  Of course we prefer ourselves. The better we are as individuals the better we are as a collective.

  I solidly disagree with that statement. There is no guarantee to that. Human history shows that if an individual is "better", he is just better than some other lesser individuals. History also shows that as a collective, we have far more tradgedies than benefits. Where humans are concerned the math is a little different. 1 +1 doesn't always equal 2. Sometimes it equals 1.2.

  Humans are doing the best they can with the tools allotted and Original Sin discredits all accomplishment in the past 6000 years because we are all being "disobedient" and "only concerned with ourselves."

  ^ This, by far, is the most interesting statement of your whole post. On the one hand, we are doing the best we can with the tools allotted giving the sense we could be doing better with better tools. While at the same time considering the past 6000 years as amazing accomplishments not worthy of discrediting. All of which plays into the quoted "only concerned with ourselves". Which most of your post indicates that you would rather be concerned with yourself and your accomplishments... f*ck sin.

  ^The whole story of original sin is something that many humans attempt to verify or discredit and will for centuries after you and I have passed on. It hasnt been solved by us for thousands of years and won't for thousands more if left totally to us.

  For those that believe God has a plan, that little issue will be solved. For those that are believing otherwise, well the saga continues.

  I guess the point to your post was to indicate that Original Sin and the Adam and Eve story is B.S. ... thanks for the nicely worded opinion!

  I am not Catholic or in organized religion. I am a former Witness.
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  No Need For EdenTree Unless God Knew An Angle was...

  by Sayswho in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  no need for eden tree unless god knew an angle was...going to try and foil his purpose for other life forms.this has always not added up for me.

  there is really no reason for the tree (s) unless god knew that he had angles that were already bad in their 'hearts'.

  so the questions i have on this are.... were the angles tested to see if they would remain faithful?were humans created to be the test for the angles?was it was 'fair' to have spirit creatures (millions of years old?

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  DJPoetech

  To bad Eve didn't eat of the Tree-of-teleportation before the tree-of-the-knowlege-of-good-and-bad. It would have solved all of our travel issues.

  That was by far the stupidest tree in the garden.

  Seems we focus so much on the tree in the middle of the garden that no one considers the other trees in the rest of the garden.

  How about the tree of math knowlege. Its not a natural gift or my GPA would be higher.

  We didn't stay long enough in that garden to utilize anything else other than 10% of our brains. Considering Satan, would he make us eat of something that would make us easier to manipulate or harder.

  He successfully fed us the stupidest fruit in the garden. Maybe just maybe we would have "eventually" ate that fruit but only after we had developed some other factors that would allow us to process it better.

  Again, the story is highly symbolic.

  I am still looking for a tree of super strength.... LOL!
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  Probably going to be DFed for "apostasy" soon

  by WontLeave in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i've been doing a lot of research lately and decided i'm not going to allow the losers in cheap suits to order me around like their dog.

  they are not masters of my faith and have no authority to 'lord it over' me.. all the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but because of the pharisees they would not confess [him], in order not to be expelled from the synagogue; for they loved the glory of men more than even the glory of god.

  - john 12:42-43 .

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  I thought your points on this were spot on.

  I figured when Jesus died that the true religion died with him. What was left behind was mankind's best guess at what was "appropriate". The result being religious practices that were reworkings of older religions of times past with popular Jewish figures interwoven in. This is the wolf in sheeps clothing guys.

  In other words, why start another inferior religion to replace a group that was selected by blood. If a group that had blood lines, prophets, Moses, King Solomon, David the King, the land of Israel, and etc was rejected, why the heck entrust it to a group of amateurs that clumsily claims authority.

  When Jesus died, he eliminated all earthly authority. If we believe in him, there is no earthly religious authority or anyone claiming such authority that can truly have power over you. This is the major advantage of Jesus being in the heavens.

  Remember, all authority in the heavens and on earth was placed into his hands. God and Jesus knew and know what they are doing. its humans that are playing catchup right now.

  the funny thing is, that every new thing you learn, God has already known it.

  Apostacy is a loaded word for a controlling group that knows no true love. they, like the pharasees, know that recognition of Jesus authority in an individual's life puts them out of a job. Thats why groups will attempt to reduce Jesus importance, eliminate his importance, obscure, or shift his importance. He is either, second to Jehovah, just a prophet, God Himself, or whatever. He is rarely spoke of as a mediator due to the control issues experienced by many religious leadership. Witnesses included. 1 Timothy 2:5 is one of the least used scriptures used by Jdubs.

  His power is in freeing us now from the oppressive yoke of stupid doctrine and the leaders who perpetuate it. The worst they can call us is fools! Great! Scripture says that God will do great things through the foolish things of the earth.

  WontLeave, your post just kinda got me thinking... Thanks!
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  Worshiping an act itself

  by WTWizard in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  you probably heard of people worshiping people (such as a parent, a study conductor), things (crosses, money), or organizations (a church, the washtowel babble and crap slaveholdery).. i believe, however, there is one other thing one can worship: actions.

  and, among the witlesses, the most common acts that are worshiped are field circus and boasting session attendance.

  this happens when one believes that they are going to see one or more of their problems gone as long as they are attending every boasting session and/or doing excessive field circus.

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  DJPoetech

  Thank you for bringing this out. I have studied a little on the subject.

  Interestingly, your subject refers to a term which is rarely used today... Orthopraxy....

  It is the opposite of Orthodoxy...

  Orthodoxy is "right belief". This term got it start and boost around the time of Constantine.

  The reason it was discussed so fervently back then is because they wanted to counteract all of the "Orthopraxic" religions whose focus was on "right practice".

  Orthopraxy is totally related to pagan religions who base their system of religion on practices or actions, no faith needed. What made these type of religions so dangerous, is that any practice, whether considerate of life or not, was possible. From ritual cutting, to sacrificing children in fire.

  As you can see, with the JWs and most religions, that their "Orthodoxy" is "Orthopraxy" in disguise. The system of worship is whats worshipped!

  As more and more start to use this term, you will see it begin to blur into whatever the relgious powers want you to see it as.
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  Has anyone heard of Tulsi Giri and do you think he is a witness?

  by DJPoetech in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  just ran into this article while doing some other reasearch.... will post here and provide link... he seems to be making waves in the hindu world.... .

  jehovah's witness is key advisor to the king of nepal.

  posted may 17, 2005. .

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  DJPoetech

  Just ran into this article while doing some other reasearch...

  Will post here and provide link... He seems to be making waves in the Hindu world...

  Jehovah's Witness is key advisor to the King of Nepal

  Posted May 17, 2005

  The BBC News Online carried an interesting article on 1 March about the Hindu nation of Nepal. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4304001.stm
  
  It was an overview of the situation in Nepal one month after King Gyanendra took direct power and the BBC quotes Tulsi Giri, the cabinet deputy chairman.
  
  What makes this interesting is that further on in the article Mr Giri is identified as belonging to "Nepal's tiny Jehovah's Witnesses religious community." Explaining that he has now returned from self-imposed exile in India the article continues, “A minister in Nepal's first democratically elected government of 1959-60, he then sided with King Mahendra - Gyanendra's father - when he sacked that administration, and played a key role in 1960-1990, when there was no democracy, serving as prime minister."
  
  The cause for concern is that an active Jehovah's Witness convert is now a key advisor to the King of Nepal and wields immense power over Nepal. This probably explains the spurt in fraudulent Christian conversions in Nepal in recent years. From 15,000 in 1970 to over 400,000 Christian converts today, Nepal is considered to be having fastest growth of Christian population in the world, says Mr. Anil Stephen in Christian Today Magazine.
  
  Nepal once considered to be one of the most peaceful countries has turned out to be a country burning with conflicts after the Christian Conversions Game started in Nepal. Is this a coincidence or there is some religious or political connection?

  http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1116372665