Posts by Elgiard

It's not a surprize or anything, and I'm over it and all, but that's really shitty. How many of us had to sit there and look like a complete freak every morning of our childhoods? That was worse than the spectacle you had to make of yourself at Christmas, because at least Christmas only came once a year. You don't know shame until you sit silently and watch all the other kids recite the pledge, and feel every eye in the room on the back of your head.

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Do Some JWs Go to Heaven?

by leavingwt in

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do some jw's go to heaven?

i read both of ray franz's books, and i was left with the impression that in his opinion, being a christian and being a jw were not necessarily mutually exclusive.

some of my christian coworkers have also expressed similar thoughts, when they say that there are "christ's brothers" within many different denominations.

Elgiard

I'm kind of soured on the whole religion thing after my experiences, but if there's anything to it, this is how I feel. Jesus is way bigger than just Jesus the man, whom the apostles knew, and whose story we know from the Gospels. Jesus valued love and forgiveness and mercy. Who really has accepted Jesus? Someone who accepts a name and a story, or one accepts into his heart all the things that Jesus stands for? I believe that being hung up on Jesus the man is idolatry, and bowing down to the image of Jesus that we've graven in our own minds. I also believe that someone can accept the real Jesus without ever knowing Jesus the man. And that's all I've got to say about that.

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The Master spoke to me this morning. . .

by Inkie in

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this morning as i lay lying in bed i was listening to music on the radio station on my headset.

when i do this, i do this so as not to disturb the wife while she is sleeping.

only this morning, she had already risen and was downstairs getting ready to go to work and just about to walk out the door.

Elgiard

You can take this any way you want, but I'm being perfectly honest when I say that that's the most retarded thing I've read all week.

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It's spelled "Israel", not "Isreal"

by gubberningbody in

jesus!.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/dunning%e2%80%93kruger_effect.

Elgiard

a lot

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"Come Be My Follower" - Christendom is bad for sponsoring charities and feeding the poor - what?

by Bonnie_Clyde in

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i just got the "come be my follower" book and am shocked at their illustration on page 186. maybe i'm more shocked that at one time i would have accepted this warped reasoning.. first they quote jesus at matt.

7:21-23: "'lord, lord, did we not...perform many powerful works in your name?

' and yet then i will confess to them: i never knew you!

Elgiard

What would the parents do if the babysitter told the youngest one horrible and ridiculous lies about the parents, and then sent her to try to convince her brothers and sisters that the lies were true? Then when the others rejected the horrible lies she completely ignored them and forbade the youngest from having anything to do with the others, punishing her if she did. If evil people hurt the children, rather than report them to the authorities she'd tell them to be patient and wait for the parents to deal with it in their own time. She would also deny them medical attention, telling them that's what their parents wanted.

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is it ok for an agnostic to pray to God?

by poor places in

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i used to say a prayer most nights before i fell asleep, and i felt real comfort.

no matter how much anxiety i had, praying made me feel that i was ok because a higher power (one who had counted the hairs of my head and who considered me worth many sparrows!

) would take care of everything.. now, after my jw awakening, i'm an agnostic, and i feel less comfort than i did before, because i don't know if anyone powerful is looking after me.

Elgiard

I think acknowledging that you don't know is more intellectually honest than convincing yourself that you were sure, and isn't phony at all. Is it an act of desperation? Maybe, but not necessarily, and if it is, then so what? Every living thing in the history of the universe has done desperate things at some point in time. It's okay to be desperate, especially when so much is hidden and uncertain. We are truly walking through "the valley of the shadow". And don't forget that if some kind of god does exists, then it doesn't want you to be sure, or it would reveal itself more plainly to you.

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Were you rebellious?

by God_Delusion in

when i was younger (from the moment i could reason and remember), i didn't like going to the meetings, having a weekly bible study or going out on the ministry.

in fact, i didn't like to do any "theocratic" stuff.. i would of course, get beaten up by my loving zealous pioneer mother due to my rebellious nature.. funny thing was, that even from the age of 5, i knew something was wrong with this religion (cult).

at the age of 16, i decided that i simply didn't believe in any of it, but i didn't leave as my mother threatened to make me homeless if i stopped going to the meetings.

Elgiard

I wasn't really rebellious because up until early adulthood I absolutely believed it.

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Did your Kingdom Hall have kitchen?

by asilentone in

someone told me there are few kingdom halls with kitchens, i was surprised about it.

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Elgiard

Mine had a lunch room in the basement. I think there was like a workshop sink, and a microwave. I don't think there was an oven though. It's been so long that I don't really remember.