Posts by tak

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Reinstatements?

by sovereign in

anyone who knows any articles in the wt litterature that explains why members who were disfellowshipped for not accepting a doctrine, not automatically becomes reinstated when "new light" confirms that the wt now accept the doctrine which the person was df:ed for in the first place?

(long sentence, but i think you get my point.....)

tak

I started reading C of C and it made me think of that too. I am early in the book but I am at the point where the GB's decided that they could control what a husband and wife do in the privacy of their own bed. I was disgusted at the power those "brothers" think they have. They arbitrarily make a ruling... "You cannot do this... blah blah blah... the poor JW's fear that they will perish if they don't stop what they were just told to stop.... It caused such heart ache.... disfellowshipping.... marriage break ups, etc... Then 5 years later a "new light" happens and they change the rules. What about all thos poor JW's that divorced... were disfellowshipped....etc... I think the stupid GB should be disfellowshipped... LOL.

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The UN Thing

by tak in

i noticed in another post on "the point of no return" that alot of people stated the un thing, can someone explain this to me and what was the controversy about.. thanks.

tak

Thanks all! The more I log onto this site the more I see things the way they "really are" at the WTS. I got my CofC book the other day and am quite enjoying reading it.

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How do we know animals have always killed each other?

by inkling in

ok fellow forum people, i really need your help.. i am trying to put together a concise argument that animals have killed and eaten.

each other since the dawn of time.. i need any fossil evidence that any animal before the "flood", or dinosaurs before.

"adam and eve" were indeed carnivorous.. i don't mean obvious stuff like sharp teeth, i mean things like little chomped up.

tak

Questions

FromReaders

God

warnedCainthat‘sinwascrouchingattheentranceandforhimwasitscraving,’whichseemstoalludetoawildbeastanditsprey.(Genesis4:7)WhywouldthatlanguagebeusedifbeforetheFlood,animalsateonlyvegetation?

In the books written by Moses, we find a number of verses that reflect facts or historical developments that might seem strangely out of place in their historical setting.

For example, the account at Genesis 2:10-14 gives geographical details about the garden of Eden. Moses wrote that one river was "the one going to the east of Assyria." But the land of Assyria derived its name from Asshur, Shem’s son born after the Flood. (Genesis 10:8-11, 22; Ezekiel 27:23; Micah 5:6) Evidently, in his accurate, inspired account, Moses simply used the term "Assyria" to refer to a region that was familiar to his readers.

Consider another example from the early chapters of Genesis. After Adam and Eve sinned and were expelled from the garden, Jehovah prevented them from returning. How? Genesis 3:24 says: "He drove the man out and posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning itself continually to guard the way to the tree of life." Notice, "the flaming blade of a sword." Did God invent swords?

We need not conclude that our loving Creator was the first one to make what we know as swords. Adam and Eve saw turning in front of the angels something that was blazing. What exactly was it? By the time Moses wrote the book of Genesis, swords were well-known and used in warfare. (Genesis 31:26; 34:26; 48:22; Exodus 5:21; 17:13) So Moses’ words "the flaming blade of a sword" enabled his readers to visualize to a degree what existed at the entrance of Eden. The information known in Moses’ day contributed to the understanding of such matters. And the language Moses employed must have been accurate, for Jehovah had it included in the Bible.—2 Timothy 3:16.

Now what about Genesis 4:7? There God warned Cain: "If you turn to doing good, will there not be an exaltation? But if you do not turn to doing good, there is sin crouching at the entrance, and for you is its craving; and will you, for your part, get the mastery over it?" As noted, the language seems to portray the image of a hungry wild beast crouched to pounce on and devour prey.

Nonetheless, evidence in the Bible points to Adam and Eve’s having been at peace with all animals. Some of the creatures may have been quite comfortable around humans, even benefiting from the nearness. Others were wild beasts, animals that naturally sought habitat away from humans. (Genesis 1:25, 30; 2:19) Yet, the Bible does not suggest that any of the animals preyed upon other animals or upon humans. Originally, God specifically assigned vegetation as the diet for both animals and humans. (Genesis 1:29, 30; 7:14-16) That did not change until after the Flood, as Genesis 9:2-5 indicates.

What, then, of God’s warning to Cain, as we read at Genesis 4:7? Certainly the image of a savage beast crouched and ready to spring on prey would have been easily understood in Moses’ day, and we understand it too. So, again, Moses might have been using language adapted to readers familiar with the post-Flood world. And even if Cain had never seen such a creature, he would have been able to get the point of a warning that likened the sinful desire in him to a hungry, ravenous beast.

The primary aspects that should have greater impact on us are these: God’s kindness in warning Cain, the value of humbly accepting counsel, how easily jealousy can corrupt one, and how seriously we should take other divine warnings that God put in the Scriptures for us.—Exodus 18:20; Ecclesiastes 12:12; Ezekiel 3:17-21; 1 Corinthians 10:11; Hebrews 12:11; James 1:14, 15; Jude 7, 11.

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educated elder or uneducated elder which was the best ?

by looloo in

the ones i know are either life long window cleaners with little education behind them or ex army /police /teacher types that are used to public talking and a bit of power , which ones did you find were the best elders ie kind and caring , i would go for the uneducated window cleaner /manual worker type by my experiance , in fact it was because the intelligent ones believed it was "the truth" that made me think well it must be true if he believes it

tak

We had an elder that was a teacher, he conducted our book study and was also our po. When my son was studying, attending all meetings, etc.... he wanted to be baptised and talked to the elder. The elder said he was not ready because he wore a leather coat, yes he really did say this. A month later my son approaches again and the elder comes back to him a few days later that he talked to the other elders and they all agreed he wasnt ready. This elder subsequently moved to another congregation a few months later and my son approached our new bookstudy conductor who was also the service overseer, turns out this first elder never spoke to any of the other elders, he just decided himself who was ready and who wasnt'.

Shameful.......

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The UN Thing

by tak in

i noticed in another post on "the point of no return" that alot of people stated the un thing, can someone explain this to me and what was the controversy about.. thanks.

tak

I noticed in another post on "the point of no return" that alot of people stated the UN thing, can someone explain this to me and what was the controversy about.

Thanks

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Marriage after Armageddon

by nemail in

i've been a jw all my life and am thoroughly convinced this is the truth.

but there is one thing that i just don't understand.

many jw's believe that people who get resurrected in the new system will not get married.

tak

I am a JW disfellowshipped. I am not here to put anyone down, just the society.

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Out of the North

by tak in

i found this website today called matthews generation blogspot and his article "out of the north".

i have managed to only read about one tenth of it as it is extremely long, but it definetly held my interest.

has anyone else read it?.

tak

I found this website today called Matthews Generation blogspot and his article "Out of the North". I have managed to only read about one tenth of it as it is extremely long, but it definetly held my interest. Has anyone else read it?

The url is http://matthewsgeneration.blogspot.com

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Would you support a witness who was refusing a transfusion?

by Caedes in

i was thinking about what i would do if a family member was in the situation of refusing a blood transfusion.

if the doctors were trying to force them to accept a transfusion, would i support my family members right to choose or would i take the position that they are brainwashed and are incapable of making a rational choice on the matter?

does the fact that they are hopelessly ill informed take away from their right to make a choice that they know will kill them?

tak

My husband died early last year. He contacted a viscious staph infection which infected his blood. He was a baptized Witness and his wishes were that he never take blood. The doctors did not pressure him nor I, but I have to wonder if taking that transfusion would have saved his life? I will never know, but those were his wishes and I made sure they were followed.

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Crisis of Consciousness: Finally Got It

by RAYZORBLADE in

oops, well i had intended to post a message along with this new topic and my fingers were faster than my brain (need more coffee .

well, i suppose it's like preaching to the converted; me obtaining this book, but i guess it's one of those things i just needed to do to finalize everything.. i know there are countless topics on ray franz' book.

but to finally pick it up, i feel like: 'i can hardly wait to read it'.. before, i more or less figured: 'i am out of the wtbts, so why bother?'.

tak

I just ordered it online... Woooo Hoooo can't wait!

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Worship Jesus?

by pixel in

"now, at christ's coming to reign as king in jehovah's capital organization zion, to bring in a righteous new world, jehovah makes him infinitely higher than the godly angels or messengers and accordingly commands them to worship him.

since jehovah god now reigns as king by means of his capital organization zion, then whosoever would worship him must also worship and bow down to jehovah's chief one in that capital organization, namely, christ jesus, his co-regent on the throne of the theocracy.

" watchtower 1945 oct. 15 p.313.

tak

I was taught to only worship Jehovah. Yet another changing of the rules?