im in bed trying to get shut eye and just cant because of this repeating question that i have in my head.
i know what the answer is to the question, but i need to hear it from the horses mouth.
so in my 30th hour of being awake i get the courage to dial 411 and call my father whos an elder that i havent spoken to for 10 years.
I say Vikki If they call again just tell them I died and hopefully they’d want to see me at my funeral, and she did.
I'm sorry - but that just cracked me up! LOL
On a more serious (and appropriate) note, please let us know how it goes when you do speak to your folks again.
goodevening all.
i am new here and thought i would introduce myself.
this is my official first post on this board.
Welcome D&S!
I think one thing you will find here - no one will try to tell you what the RIGHT answer is. But you'll get a lot of great input, and be able to weigh things out for yourselves.
today we have political parties from the republic and democratic sides trying to get your vote so they can get the presidency.
but, can you really trust them?
how secure are you to have a man or woman lead us to a secure and peaceful future?
I would say everyone knows these simple laws, but for the few that don't know they are-
-Love Jehovah your God with all your might, body, and mind. This means study, and preach about God all you can
-Treat thy neighbor as you want to be treated. This covers alot including murder, theft, and more.
Thats it! This is all you need to follow.
May I ask, are you truly moved by the desire to inspire your fellow humans to love God and neighbor? Do you understand that most of us that use this message board - who haven't lost all faith in God due to the hatefulness of the WTS - that all we have is to cling to these two simple truths that Jesus taught? I think you are preaching to the choir here. Perhaps a sincere reading of Jesus' answer to the question,"WHO really is my neighbor?" may be in order.
"now, at christ's coming to reign as king in jehovah's capital organization zion, to bring in a righteous new world, jehovah makes him infinitely higher than the godly angels or messengers and accordingly commands them to worship him.
since jehovah god now reigns as king by means of his capital organization zion, then whosoever would worship him must also worship and bow down to jehovah's chief one in that capital organization, namely, christ jesus, his co-regent on the throne of the theocracy.
" watchtower 1945 oct. 15 p.313.
It seems that turning from worshipping Jesus is just another way that the WTS tries to separate itself from "false Christian religion." By so doing, they may find that they've separated themselves from Christ himself.
i recall a pesonality test being posted a while ago which enabled each person to find out their own persona.. it came up that i was largely an empath plus a few other traits of intuitive, perceiving and introverted.. my gut feeling was in this way back when i attended meetings!
personalities i saw all around me were all hooking up slightly differently to the wtbts.
it made me wonder if a judging persona actually survives better in the borg?.
RC -
What you've observed makes a lot of sense to me. Does it also seem like those that have the more compassionate personalities are also the ones that seem to have a higher sense of spirituality? Perhaps more of a sense of WWJD? One thing for sure, if Jesus was a JW, he would be df'd for apostacy!!
it has been a while since i have posted here.. i thought i would post some good news.
a progress report of sorts.. .
my new job is going great.
Metaspy -
Your story is just another example of the WTS mindset. Its all about authoritarianism.
I'm glad you've found some connections with your Dad's family.
when i start topics on the bible i'm not trying to pick a fight i'm really trying to understand why some people stick to the belief that the bible is the inherent word of god.. when i figured out that the wtbs was full of s*&t i started to research the bible to learn more about it and to have a better understanding of what god wanted from me but to my surprised i found more then was expected.. i have to go now but i will continue after work....
I'm really trying to understand why some people stick to the belief that the bible is the inherent word of god.
For many of us former JWS, having the Bible as the authority over the WTS has been a vital part of being able to break free from mind-controlling religion. Taking the next step of questioning the authority of the Bible can feel like questioning God Himself. (Of course, it felt that way when we questioned the WTS, too.)
I think one has to ask if they can hold onto their belief in a Higher Power, while letting go of the idea that the Bible is God's infalable message to mankind? Can one accept that some parts of the Bible may have a message from God, while other parts are more likely to be the thoughts of men?
I think the real question has to be, can one have a REAL relationship with God, turn to Him (and our God-given conscience) as our ulimate source of guidance?? After all, don't we who believe in the Great Spirit worship HIM, and NOT a book?
so, we had the co visit and he told us what undeserving we are.
compared with his last visit, all our numbers are down: less publishers, less hours, less studies, less magazines, less meeting attendance, less baptisms.
then he proceeded to show us how a simple kid and a grandma that can't even read or write do more than us.
I agree when the Bible says in Matthew 23:15: "15 “Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen´na twice as much so as yourselves."
This is the first time I've ever read that scripture and grasped what Jesus meant. Thanks!
a 'doomsday' seedbank - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/svalbard_global_seed_vault .
renovations on camps potentially in preparation for disasters http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=0p-hvpjpti4 .
incredible removals of basic rights - the us is way ahead of the uk on this - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2622692.ece .
I am a believer in keeping my eyes and ears open. There is almost always a least a little truth in every tale. And many truths are so well covered with spin in order to keep the vast majority blind; that we either think that we must be crazy to think about such things - or it is guaranteed others will think we are.
My personal opinion is that Mother Nature has been pillaged, the poor enslaved, and the middle-class sucked, to the point that it is all coming down. Of course the super-rich and influential have made their plans for survival.
Dear God - is it true? Will the meek inheirit the Earth?
does this sound familiar?
well, i can remember the service year 1992-93 and 1993-94. those two years were absolutely stagnant and blah.. it started mid 1992, when there was rather anemic field circus (vacations were still actually allowed).
it was basically nothing going on.
Don't even get me started on those super-spiritual families where everyone is pioneering - even the 5-year olds!
I read that super-ficial.........Oh, nevermind. I got it right the first time.
