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  The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

  by bjc2012 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

  that is all carl wanted.

  yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

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  gsark

  guess what else it says in COJ's excellent book, which I have here open in front of me;

  (The Gentile Times Reconsidered, Softcover, page 1, 1998 edition, Carl Olaf Jonsson):

  We are each responsible for what we know. If a person has information on hand that others need in order to get a correct understanding of their situation in life--information that furthermore is withheld from their religious leaders--then it would be morally wrong to remain silent. It becomes his or her duty to make that information available to all who may want to know the truth, however this may appear."
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  Ray and Bill

  by larc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would not have posted this, but the subject just doesn't go away.

  i would like to comment on the differences in the two men.

  first of all, they come from different eras.

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  Edited for excessive sarcasm. Sorry.

  Edited by - gsark on 27 October 2002 0:26:25

  Edited by - gsark on 27 October 2002 1:28:57
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  Ray and Bill

  by larc in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would not have posted this, but the subject just doesn't go away.

  i would like to comment on the differences in the two men.

  first of all, they come from different eras.

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  gsark

  ROTFLMAO at pomegranate:

  Ray and Bill's excellent adventure.
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  About Bill Bowen

  by Nordic in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the campaign bill bowen have startet for the sake of little children abused is so brave.

  now the children have a voice to speak on their behalf.

  i don't think you can truly understand what i am talking about if not are a victim of child abuse.

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  gsark

  <Throws open the cellar door>

  YES!!!!

  <jumps back into cellar and slams door>
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  Bill Bowen's attack on Ray Franz

  by COJ in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  bill bowens attack on ray franz: .

  i very seldom find time for checking the discussions going on at various debate sites, and wasnt aware of bill bowens statements about ray franz in his original post of oct. 9, 2002 at 7:26 (now evidently altered), until a friend quite recently sent my a copy of it.

  i was not only surprised but was shocked at his statements.

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  gsark

  When the silent lambs issue first came up, it got stomped on by Watchtower. But another head came up to take its place, and another and another. It is interesting to go back through time and watch Watchtower play wack-a-mole with the advocates for these children. In the end, Watchtower lost. The game, the prize, everything. It ain't just over, it is soooo over.

  When the 'Ray Franz' issue first came up, it got stomped on by a laot of people. But another head came up to take its place, and another and another. It is interesting to go back through time and watch these persons play wack-a-mole with the critics of Ray Franz. In the end, you have lost. The game, the prize, everything. It ain't just over, it is soooo over.

  The truth will come out no matter what happens. This is only a discussion board. There is a whole big world out there. This issue will slowly wend its way out into the big world; specifically the media and the courtrooms.

  I've said it before and I say it again, slowly.

  allegations of child abuse should be turned over to, and left in, the hands of trained and experienced professionals.
  
  allegations of conspiacry to aid and abet and harbor child abusers (that's where Ray Fraz and many others come in) should be turned over to, and left in, the hands of trained and experienced professionals.

  That is what Bill Bowen and I and thousands of silent lambs are in the process of doing right now. Leaving it in the hands of professionals. Whatever apologies we may have to offer, we are in the process of saving them them untill after the dust has cleared.

  For myself, these forums are a great place to come and share feelings about what we have seen and heard. But the idea that something someone says here (for or against any person) is earth-shattering and will affect 6 billion people in the world, is just ridiculous. Neither Bill Bowen's nor Ray Franz's 'reputation' is going to live or die because of words on this forum.

  I can assure you that the whole Ray Franz issue is in the hands of trained and experienced proffessionals, that is where it is going to stay. Bill and I are in teh process of doing what we have been telling Watchtower to do: leave it up to the professionals and turn our energy back to our work.

  Editad for spieling adn grammer as usuial.

  Edited by - gsark on 26 October 2002 15:25:49
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  The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

  by bjc2012 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

  that is all carl wanted.

  yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

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  gsark

  edited. Never mind. <sigh>

  Edited by - gsark on 26 October 2002 2:8:17
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  The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

  by bjc2012 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

  that is all carl wanted.

  yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

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  gsark

  Her

  ((((((((((( Farkel )))))))))) Thank you these things are very important.

  (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Danny Bear )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

  Now back to your regularly scheduled flamewar....
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  The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

  by bjc2012 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

  that is all carl wanted.

  yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

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  gsark

  I took my post down because I put it somewhere else.
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  The Real Truth About Raymond V. Franz Revealed!

  by bjc2012 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and for those reasons, coj wanted in the beginning, to stay with the organization, just like bill bowens.

  that is all carl wanted.

  yes, as members of the governing body, they knew full well, exactly what carl's writings meant.

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  gsark

  edited becasue I am chicken-s**t

  Edited by - gsark on 25 October 2002 23:47:18
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  Bill Bowen's attack on Ray Franz

  by COJ in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  bill bowens attack on ray franz: .

  i very seldom find time for checking the discussions going on at various debate sites, and wasnt aware of bill bowens statements about ray franz in his original post of oct. 9, 2002 at 7:26 (now evidently altered), until a friend quite recently sent my a copy of it.

  i was not only surprised but was shocked at his statements.

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  gsark

  I am honestly trying hard to stay open-minded and hear both views, but as it stands

  speaking of which when was the last time you spoke with Bill Bowen by phone?