Posts by MOG

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New 2008 Rules for A$$emblies?

by WTWizard in

we know that the a$$emblies have become more programmed every year.

they did away with food service.

they cut off the great outdoors.

i did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when jesus calls himself "i am" in john 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to god, due because in exodus 3:14, god tells moses "i am sent you"...but in the jwbible it states this entirely different.. .

john8;58, and i am is substituted for "i have been', then in exodus 3;14, "i am" is substituted for "i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible.. .

it makes sense that i am should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in exodus in the jw, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent .

MOG

Thanks Rocky..of all the bibles i have seen, and even those that have John 1:1 as "a god", that those who translated them, at best to my knowledge, believe that Jesus was GOD with the exception of the Watchtower..unfortunately, what i am feeling at this moment, i do not trust any ONE translation and this lends itself as to why the Qu'ran points back to this, how men have corrupted THE BOOK(the bible).. why does the Watchtower believe in jesus dying on a stake? when even they use the Diaglott as a ref back, has CRUXIFICATION. Luke 23:33. They superimpose it as IMPALED HIM??

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I AM ...

by MOG in

i did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when jesus calls himself "i am" in john 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to god, due because in exodus 3:14, god tells moses "i am sent you"...but in the jwbible it states this entirely different.. .

john8;58, and i am is substituted for "i have been', then in exodus 3;14, "i am" is substituted for "i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible.. .

it makes sense that i am should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in exodus in the jw, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent .

MOG

Leolaia

thanks for this..i do have another question..how does the original scripture interpret John 2:19 about Jesus saying "I will raise it, meaning his body"..is this 'I WILL' the literal Greek translation. i looked at the Diaglott and its seems so...

also John 1:1..i notices in the Diaglott, there is the issue with "a god" from "GOD", but i thought there was no lower or uppercases in Greek.
here is an excerpt i found in regards to this John 1:1 scripture

the correct English translation is "...and the Word was God," not "and God was the word." This is because if there is only one definite article ("ho"="the") in a clause where two nouns are in the nominative ("subject") form ("theos" and "logos"), then the noun with the definite article ("ho"="the") is the subject. In this case "ho logos" means that "the word" is the subject of the clause. Therefore, "...the Word was God" is the correct translation, not "God was the Word.

Oh..one last thing..does the name YHWH or Jehovah (and other similiar names)exist in the New Testament?

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I AM ...

by MOG in

i did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when jesus calls himself "i am" in john 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to god, due because in exodus 3:14, god tells moses "i am sent you"...but in the jwbible it states this entirely different.. .

john8;58, and i am is substituted for "i have been', then in exodus 3;14, "i am" is substituted for "i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible.. .

it makes sense that i am should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in exodus in the jw, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent .

MOG

thanks so much..I obviously have long ways to get to your level..anything on the Ezequiel passage??

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I AM ...

by MOG in

i did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when jesus calls himself "i am" in john 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to god, due because in exodus 3:14, god tells moses "i am sent you"...but in the jwbible it states this entirely different.. .

john8;58, and i am is substituted for "i have been', then in exodus 3;14, "i am" is substituted for "i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible.. .

it makes sense that i am should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in exodus in the jw, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent .

MOG

To add: compare these verses
Ezekiel 43:3

JWbible: Ezequiel talking" and it was like the appearance of the vision I had seen, like the vision that I saw when "I" came to bring the city to ruin"

"I" looks like he is saying himself but then you can say 'yeah i know he is talking about jehovah not himself'..and thats fine..the problem is that when you look at John 2:18, 19, Jesus says "I will raise it up - his body after death, his body" by using the JW bible this part of "I" can then be intepreted as JEHOVAH

now lets look at one other bible (and this is confirmed through 10 bibles (using biblegateway)

New American Bible

"the vision was like that what i seen when HE (here is GOD in HE) came to destroy the city"

still searching the truth..

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I AM ...

by MOG in

i did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when jesus calls himself "i am" in john 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to god, due because in exodus 3:14, god tells moses "i am sent you"...but in the jwbible it states this entirely different.. .

john8;58, and i am is substituted for "i have been', then in exodus 3;14, "i am" is substituted for "i shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible.. .

it makes sense that i am should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in exodus in the jw, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent .

MOG

I did a little research (new american bible) on this, and i found that when Jesus calls himself "I AM" in John 8:58 and was to get stoned because he was putting himself equal to GOD, due because in Exodus 3:14, God tells moses "I AM sent you"...but in the JWbible it states this entirely different..

John8;58, and I AM is substituted for "I have been', then in Exodus 3;14, "I AM" is substituted for "I shall prove to be what i shall prove to be"..i have gone through several bibles again and again..and each one is the same in this accord, but not the jwbible..

it makes sense that I AM should be kept in place since jesus was being stoned for using that same phrase - confirmed by hurling of the stones, but then in Exodus in the JW, not even the same phrase in used...inconsistent

Off to read the history of I AM..this is a serious offense the way the manipulated these verses..

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Are JWs allowed to go to wedding of disfellowshiped child?

by freetosee in

since i've been out for so long i would like to ask if there has been any change regarding the association with disfellowshiped.

can active jws go to the wedding of their df'd sons or daughters?

any policy change?.

MOG

i would never concern myself with that..here is where i am getting at. If you were baptizedJW and decided to leave the organization but still follow Jehovah
. Would God say, you will die in armageddon because you were not in the organization? riddle me this..

For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast." (Ephesians 2:8)

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Some questions that I didnt find the answer as a JW Part 1

by tooktheredpill in

having been raised in the truth, i thought that i had all the answers in the watchtower publications.

but as i started really reading the bible without filters, a lot of stuff started to appear that made no sense to me.

1) genesis 2:2: and by the seventh day god came to the completion of his work that he had made, and he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made.. .

MOG

let me add something to this discussion: grab your bibles brothers and sisters Who Raised Jesus when he died? Jehovah Act 5:30 Heb 13:20 and there are more Who Raised Jesus when he died? the SPIRIT of him (lets get back to this to distinguish 'him') Romans 8:11 Who Raised Jesus when he died? Jesus did John 2: 18-22 "breakdown this temple and i will raise it in 3 days...he was talking about the temple of his body" okay.. IF Jehovah raised Jesus, Jesus raised himself, then who raised Jesus? Jehovah and Jesus..NEXT if they both raised Jesus, and we know the SPIRIT of HIM would need to be added as Jehovah and Jesus, thus making it the HOLY SPIRIT, then..help me out here... tickle your brain on this one...

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Pay attention to yourself and your flock - secret elder book

by MOG in

have any of you got a hand on this book?

MOG

have any of you got a hand on this book?

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Circuit oversers

by bite me in

my question is ;.

what kinds of information/lies was spoken at the last few meetings where an co has appeared?

my friends are acting a bit different.

MOG

1st post guys...but let me tell you my dad was one of the top elders in my state. in face we originated out the 1st spanish congregation in the state..my dad cast a big shadow that i could never live up to and neither did i care to live up to. i never felt anything spiritual going to the kingdomhalls, not once..in fact, it made me wonder too much about it..very controlling, lots of hidden secrets that i pickedup on, people getting molested and nothing done about it (boy i wish i could tell you that story)..anyways, lets get to my 16year of life, one of the elders during a thursday metting pulled me into a meeting room and told me 'brother, we have been praying to jehovah and feel he has told us that you will be a good ministerial servant'...First of all, jehovah would have known my a&s was never ready for it at 16y.o - too big of a responsibility for someone who has little experience in life (i guess you can look at it this way WE GOT YOU SUCKA early), but I shot him down - I said "sorry but I am not ready"..it did not take even a second for that response to shoot out of my mouth, the elder was shocked, he said "but your Dad will be a good instructor in helping you", I said "its not my Dad job to decide for me, this is my decision - ALONE"..he went back and told my dad, and my dad ripped me to shreds, i was in tears but never took it still even under adverse pressure. That same night, 2 other brothers were named ministerial servants, the prodigy son of the great elder of the congregation will NOT be named..oh can you hear my Dad..he came comparing them and putting them on a pedestal, for a whole year he bombarded me. i left home before my 18th birtday, i suffered for it, lost all my friends, i even went to an assembly meeting and brothers and sisters where hugging me..and you know what..i never missed it, never missed them..i left that day, I never went back to it..it took me 20 years to find the real GOD that i was searching for..here is how that goes in the last year, now 37y.o, i started reading the LEFT BEHIND series from Tim LaHaye (awesome fictional books about the end of times), here so mad about everything with me at the JW and never being able to move on, wife begged me to start searching for GOD..i got really into the books, i was IN...but did you all know i was a self proclaiming agnostic, thats is how brainwash i was, either i was going to believe in Jehovah as JW believe or id rather slit my wrist and call myself agnostic..few months past and i read all 17 books, then there was a father of my sons bestfriend, always invited me to his church..i tried many but none did nothing to me, i never truly let go the fear of becoming a JWApostate..this time i went in with an open mind..in the 1st 5 minutes of going, i felt something, nothing i never felt before, a calmness in my heart, like it was HOME to me...ever since that day, i read the bible, I test it..i tell the pastor about my testing and questioning..and instead of doing what my dad did, with ignorant comments and never really helping me - understand me..he said ASK away, i wont know all the answers he said but i will search endlesly with you...we bring all kinds of bibles to the church, never do we solemnly have ONE bible fitted church..Brothers, i tell you, i never have felt that moment before anywhere. GOD is calling us, to get out while we can, he is opening up our eyes, our ears are hearing better.. HE says to me - TEST ME - ASK ME - my words are infallible - and questions have been answered. let me add one more piece...during this transition, my marriage was so so..i prayed to GOD, help me, give me a sign that you are with me.. I heard him say go get your wife a bouquet of yellow flowers, and make sure when you go home your kids are with you...so in search, late in the evening i went, i can not find ONE floral shop, so i prayed and i said to GOD, am i just making this up as I want?? then I told GOD this is the last place i will go and i will go on FAITH...here is where i get chills: i get out of my car, the store that i went next to and i have never been even in this place, was a CHRISTIAN book, store that its called FAITH christian books store..okay???? next, I go to the store and there is one 1 bouquet of yellow flowers - okay? next, i go home, didnt even have to take the kids,they walk in the room with me and my son says "Mom wake up - look what WE got you" and thats how a REAL GOD opens your eyes and heart...here i am a fool to him, cursing him out because i was so hurt about how me and my dad went down. 20 years of loniness i felt, my dad not in my life, casted from the family..My dad said "you are disowned to me"..the shunning began..just to know that the Lord was just putting me where he always wanted me to be..20 years of detoxing from that place..mind job after mind job..if i asked anything that was out of the norm..i was AlWAYS wrong to ask.. folks there is only one way to the LORD, no man or religion will save you..Only the Lord our God can...i do things for GOD because I love GOD, Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved