Posts by MOG

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On Saturday... I decided to dump all my literature

by tak in

it felt good!

i took that huge plastic bin that contained multiple copies of all the books given out by the society, all the old wt and awake's that i had, the year books, etc..... and threw into the city dump.

my boyfriend thought i should maybe bring the literature back to them and i said "hell no.... so they can give it out to more innocent people.. he agreed.

MOG

awe man..you wouldnt live in Chicago and have them still??

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Jesus as Michael

by Kphoto in

let me start by stating that i'm not a jehovah's witness but have family who have been discussing it with me and i am hoping for a better answer than i have gotten thus far.

i can find no scriptural backing for jesus being the arch-angel michael.

in fact i find things that seem to show me that they are two distinctly different beings.

Also this is very interesting as well..

Daniel 10 - Michale is called ONE OF THE CHIEF PRINCES

12 Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and I have come in response to them. 13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

So - if I compare both Daniel and also 1 Thessalonians..It would be clear that MICHAEL at least is NOT JESUS..even if Jesus was an Archangel.

Its also weird that the names - Jesus, Jesus Christ, Chris, Lord Jesus Christ - appear several times in Revelations, yet how could the writer then switch that off and call him Michael..seems a bit off to me..

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Jesus as Michael

by Kphoto in

let me start by stating that i'm not a jehovah's witness but have family who have been discussing it with me and i am hoping for a better answer than i have gotten thus far.

i can find no scriptural backing for jesus being the arch-angel michael.

in fact i find things that seem to show me that they are two distinctly different beings.

MOG

Here is an interesting verse - more research needed though 1 Thessalonians 4:16 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an "archangel", and with the blast of the trumpet of God. And those who have departed this life in Christ will rise first.

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I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Hi Real One

The Acts verse reminds me of Gen 18 (right off the back you get confused on how GOD appears to Abraham and Sarah with 2 others)..this is by far one of those things that perplexes me because if nobody has SEEN GOD (in complete) - Abraham did see him in person (someway). Some call this theophany/christophany - divine appearance of God (theo-phany) or Christ (christo-phany) in the OLD TESTAMENT..

If there is a verse that can help the Trinitarians - it was this chapter that seem so to me..

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Jesus as Michael

by Kphoto in

let me start by stating that i'm not a jehovah's witness but have family who have been discussing it with me and i am hoping for a better answer than i have gotten thus far.

i can find no scriptural backing for jesus being the arch-angel michael.

in fact i find things that seem to show me that they are two distinctly different beings.

MOG

Wasnt Jesus able to rebuke Satan but yet Michael couldnt?

343

I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Sirona -

I think JCanon might agree with you on this..

343

I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

they are - just dont get out of hand..and all is good..PEACE..

343

I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

I stopped at Sura 4 because that is the chapter of daughters and wives..and somewhere it said that if you wife gets out of hand you may beat her but not severly...Sorry but I just dont get down like that - I love my wife and even if she did get whacko, I dont raise a hand to her...I freaked out - so I put it down momentarily. It was going good for a moment. Maybe I should skip that chapter and continue..

343

I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

and just to add on the spirit of things

"The SEVEN Spirits of God (Rev. 4:5)..this confuses me even more

343

I hate the Watchtower but I really still hate the Trinity Jesus is NOT God!

by Witness 007 in

some bibles use the term "worship" when refering to jesus...at times people did fall down and bow to him........this doesn't show he was god!

the greek term; proskeyneo, means to prostrate oneself, to bow down and show honour.

now, this was done for jehovah.....and his representatives....jesus israelite kings and priests....but for the honour of jehovah not as creature worship which even angels would refuse.. also i studied the non-biblical early church gospels which really does show a slow decline over 150 years, into the trinity as the watchtower claims...........although i still hate the watchtower society at least i learnt something that wasn't a lie..

MOG

Has anyone here read the Qu'ran...I have it but stop at Sura 4...