Maybe you shoulda said, "I attend a congregation that protect pedophiles and i'm thinking of finding one that doesn't, but I hear they all do.....have you heard this too"?
wait for reply...............
Then remind them of the two witness rule.
Nah, I like how Odrande did it the best I'd just hate to get in a pissin match with her.
gumdronde
i know the pat answer is "grieving the holy spirit" but how does one do that?
i asked some elders who were attempting to meet with me but they seemed unsure... .
publicly!
Here's a version of it by little Freddie Franz himself shortly after the Bethel shakedown in the early 80's
Watchtower 1982 April 1 p. 27 Survival or Destruction at the "Great Tribulation"
Now, the Bible definitely shows that some end up in the symbolic Gehenna ( no chance of a ressurection ) before the 1,000-year Judgment Day begins. .......................... Similarly, unrepentant apostates go, at death, not to Sheol, or Hades, but to Gehenna....( everlasting destruction) (Hebrews 6:4-8; 2 Peter 2:1)
The same is true of dedicated Christians who persist in willful sin or those who "shrink back." (Hebrews 10:26-31, 38, 39) These are merely examples to show that some, even in "this system of things," have committed the sin for which there is no forgiveness, not even in the system of things "to come." (Matthew 12:31, 32; compare 1 John 5:16.) They will, therefore, not be resurrected.
Fred Franz and Jehovah were synonymous
Gumby
i mean - what kind of doctrine would they teach - what sort of social programs would they support - how big?
how small?
preacherman or preacherwoman?
I already started one and so far these are all the followers i''ve got and I need some more......mostly concubines. Here's me lookin in the want ads for some pretty women folk
i mean - what kind of doctrine would they teach - what sort of social programs would they support - how big?
how small?
preacherman or preacherwoman?
i have been studing it for years looking for answers....yet for every answer i find there is a counter to it.
the words themselves are twisted by leaders/teachers to fit their personal opinions and adgendas, as well as twisted by trying to rely on our own reasoning to understand them.. a good example would be the way our current system of laws work.. if the supreme court writes a law into the book..say for example.."evil" is anyone who does this....... it is then turned over to a bunch of undereducated enforcers to interpert and judge others they feel are "evil".
they are allowed to accuse and shoot first asking questions later.
So then poppers, has this changed your life, made you happy, fullfilled you, given you all the answer to satisfy you for the most part , are there now any voids, can you conquer these voids if there are any?
....and, thank you for the time you spent with this. I didn't mean to sound over critical...It's just I don't understand any of what your saying. I suppose deep meditation might help a person realise these things, something I've never done before.
Gumby
just got a message from a relative attending the dc.
this seems to be the big announcement from the convention:
the end is nigh!
It was near 166 years ago too.
We need not here repeat the evidences that the 'seventh trumpet' began its sounding in A.D. 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble.
Gumby
i am gonna be relaxing at uncles house, listen to music and all that sorta thing.
Ah, Gum...your boring stuff sounds more interesting to me than my boring stuff. I'm doing my little chores in shifts as its too hot out not to take breaks.
Well, since it's been in the triple digit figures for heat here....about 105 degrees average, I done got my stuff done already. Washed 2 vehicles inside and out, bumped up my water pressure as it was way too low since I could pee further than the hose squirted before, and I dumped all the trash. Now, I may go to my buddies shop and work on my watercraft so's I can sell it and make some bucks.
Later, we're ( me and the wife) are gonna so see Pirates of the Carribean...unless someone has a better suggestion for a movie too see.
Gregor....good luck on your home. Bake some cookies and get that "homey" smell goin. Women like the homey smell and they are the buyers usually more so than the man.
Gumhot
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i have finally verbalized that it is time to leave the organization.
the question becomes, must we be part of an organization?
When Jesus diciples were misguided because they felt judaism was the true "organisation" and saw a man "not walking with them", he said "any that are not against me are for me". Witnesses never seem to be able to explain that one.
Gumby
i am gonna be relaxing at uncles house, listen to music and all that sorta thing.
Wish I had something interesting. I'm going to be weeding the garden, trimming the bushes, powerwashing the mold off the siding and cleaning out closets. WhooHoo! What fun. lol
S'ok Luna...I'm doing the same. Working my ass off outside. I'm gonna wash the cars inside and out, fix a sprinkler, get a gift certificate for my sis at home depo, take a nap, eat.....and.......well, I guess that's about it
Gumboring
i have been studing it for years looking for answers....yet for every answer i find there is a counter to it.
the words themselves are twisted by leaders/teachers to fit their personal opinions and adgendas, as well as twisted by trying to rely on our own reasoning to understand them.. a good example would be the way our current system of laws work.. if the supreme court writes a law into the book..say for example.."evil" is anyone who does this....... it is then turned over to a bunch of undereducated enforcers to interpert and judge others they feel are "evil".
they are allowed to accuse and shoot first asking questions later.
Poppers, sorry for the way late response as I assumed you wouldn't be back. I appreciate your efforts in trying to explain your understanding of what truth is.
What I am trying to say about "truth" cannot be put into words because truth itself is beyond words, that's why it's confusing. We think "truth" is something the mind can understand, but the mind is limited to the conceptual only.
So poppers, if your mind cannot comprehend truth, then neither you nor any other human can even attempt to explain it. Frankly it sounds like a cop-out to me. If the mind cannot comprehend it, then how do you know "truth exists". Your telling me the mind can't comprehend it yet your saying it exists. Where in your body did you concieve of the idea of truth then? In your finger, your toe, your elbow......where?
In all this typing you did, I am as lost as I was before you tried to explain anything and so is everyone who read this that hasn't read the book,....or at least similar books you learned this idea from.....sorry.
If the mind knows truth exists, then you shouldn't have too much trouble explaining it.....and if the mind cannot explain it, then there is no proof it exists.
"Stillness of the eye" - the mind can't wrap itself around that, but there can be the realization of a stillness beneath every movement that arises out of one's very being. What you are in actuality is stillness itself, and that stillness can be felt no matter what sort of activity one is engaged in. We tend to focus on activity in the outside world, all the while ignoring the stillness that is at our very core, that IS our very core.
You went through a lot of trouble using the word "stillness", yet not one time did you convey just WHAT stillness means. What IS "stillness" poppers? If it's a realness to our soul that we exist....big deal, ....I already KNOW I exist and so does everyone else who's alive.
Gumsimple-mind
