hey guys!
i've been lurking for 2 yrs and finally decided to post.
seems like y'all need some new blood around here.
Welcome dinky: Been to NA myself. Glad I am past that point however.
Learned some things about people in there that was good. They use a lot of bible principals in there.
I had a pill popping problem for many years.(Pain Meds)
A councelor told me there were many JW's as his patients that were in there for personal problems or victims of others with problems.
Your road has begun. We will be here for you. Please stay in touch.
i know a lot of jws that seemed to disappear, and everybody just stopped talking about them.
i would love to be reunited with some of the people i grew up with in good old c-town (cleveland).
i'm 27, and if you lived on the east side of cleveland, i probably knew you.
A little off the subject butt!!! Are you familiar with Warren ohio?
I have a half brother from there I have never met."Safin" is the last name of him.
today i saw a jw in the middle of the city handing out awake!s.. and i sid nothing to her i know that if i said anything to her that i would have been there all day or at least before she thought that i was fron the devil and started to shun me.. have you ever felt guilty about not telling a jw that they should research what they believe that it may not be what it seems.. for passing up a chance to probally save a life in a way.. .
i did this also because.. believe it or not.. i cant believe i am going to say this.. i am not 100% sure that watchtower is not gods organisation.. [i feel this obgligation to listen to them so i cant shut them out all together].
to you this may seem very insane after spending time here .
I don't think were in kansas anymore toto. I thinks we're in dem dare ozarks!
Jerome: Quote. so much of what they do is bible based and that is good"
Have you learned ALL of the things they have done and still do that is not bible based?
1.Thousands have died from their wrong teachings
2. Families are torn apart by them.
3.They recrute 1000's into this destructful sect monthly
Yes they teach some good things... so does the Boyscouts, the Cubscouts, the Catholics, the Red cross, the United Nations, and anybody else that helps others.
Jesus said HE was the way, the truth, and the light......not an organization that doesen't even believe in what he taught.
He taught we can't earn salvation as the JW's believe.It's a gift. You don't pay for gifts.......you show respect for them.
I would suggest learning about the JW's from a source who has found them in the wrong then learn from the JW's if it is true......then you decide. Trust me.....they ARE in the wrong!!!!!!!!!
my wife and i attended our last meeting last night.
it wasn't so bad, since it was bookstudy and they threw a little party for us afterwards - we are moving to wa from pa next week.
we will never set foot in a kingdom hall again - feels great.
Good for you Dim. Butt!!!!!!! Don't throw away all you books. They come in handy for documentation if you need to help other dubs out.
Hope you like WA. Tr lives there...maybe you guys can hook up.
Drive safe and half sober.Gumby
hi everyone, i just looked at my profile the other day and realized that i'd started posting over a year ago.
in some ways it all seems so short this past year, like a blur in my life.
yet i feel that i've gotten to know so many of you so well, i can't believe it's only been a year.. one thing that's really strange for me is the fact the no one i talk to or know has known me for more then 2 years!!!
Venice:there were several times when I didn't know if I could go on, the pain was to much to bear.
Yep...I've been there too and get that way still. Emotions pass in time. It's always good to have positive posters as yourself to cheer us up. Thanks for your support.
dear brother mds, and a note to gumby,.
i am happy to have heard from you, to know you, and hear your sterling ring, your shibboleth.. (gumby, i appreciated your note about writing out the scriptural texts.
in this case it is the whole chapter two of second thessalonians and i had hoped you would read it on your own when you could spare the time.
Phillip:..Who wrote to Gumby "What plans do you have for the Memorial where you are?
Hi Phillip. What "Memorial" are you refering to?
I do not have any association with the JW's.
Perhaps you read me wrong. If not, you could mail me and chat when you have time . Take care and I wish you well......Gumby
i really want to read the cofc book, what's the best way to get it?.
also, what is the wts gaining by keeping the org.
is it a money thing?
Nytelecom1:...praise be to Jah!!!
Spoken like a true Hebrew!
Living in the past are we? Funny how you dubs never speak of the one in the greek scriptures that everybody else talked about.
Let's see...now who could that be?
ok here goes - after 15 years of unimaginable shit (wait, you guys can imagine!
) and a tearful phone conversation tonight with my mother & father, my father is willing to sit & discuss jehovah's witnesses with me (he actually sounds open).
i left the borg when i was 17. my father is an elder.
Freeminds has some excellent things you could discuss under "What to say to relatives" or something like that. I was just reading an old 58'w. under a does your religion matter and the familiar quote was given about how what you believe should be thouroghly examined and put to the test.
Ask your dad to consider some facts you have, as you want to know the answers
You may be able to introduce things he has never considered.
Isn't it worth the chance to try? iI he dosen't listen....(and he may not)....you can feel good you tried and he made the choice.
I wish you good luck.
(please reply to this message with your own signature and added thoughts.
then, we will make sure that this reaches ray.).
dear ray,.
Ray. Thank you does not seem to do justice with what you have exposed, that has aided thousands to feel free to make a conscientious choice as to what they will believe.
Everyone on this earth deserves to see both sides of the coin in any matter that claims our salvation.
Not only have those that have read your books been helped, but also those who have been told it's contents.
With your effort, many more have come forward with their efforts to add to the help you have provided. Thank you from my heart.
why god cannot have existed forever.. this is something a friend of mine brought up a number of years ago.at the time i just thought that to understand how a god existed forever was just beyond our little brains.. well now after reading a lot more physics books i think its evidence a god couldn't have existed forever and therefore would had a begining (if there was a god).. basically if god had lived from infinity in the past we wouldn't have been created yet as there would always be forever untill we were created.. do you get that?.
at any point in time we could take, if time went back forever then you could never get to that point in time.
you would always have infinity infront of you.. sorry if this doesn't make much sense as it is not easy to describe.
TO BELIEVE THAT HUMANS SHOULD BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND ALL THINGS IS LIKE SAYING A COMPUTOR SHOULD KNOW ALL THINGS.
Could it be the creator did not put into the minds of people the ability to grasp this concept?
Everyone who tries to explain time and it's origin,... come's up short.
Maybe we will or will not know in this life or life down the road.
