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  WT at it again...cross or stake?

  by dungbeetle in

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  just found this on the watchtower website:.

  http://www.watchtower.org/library/rq/index.htm?article=article_11.htm.

  cross: jesus did not die on a cross.

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  gumby

  Quote:I don't see how it possibly matters

  That point seems to cover everyones feelings by the responses given.....and it dosen't matter!

  The bible is so vaugue on so many matters it must not be important to God either or he would have clarified many, many things.

  It's the witnesess that drag out ancient customs and apply it to how religion mimicks them. Most people don't have a clue about the cross and it's backround as used in pagan worship......who cares!

  They often quote Josephus to validify a point there are making but will not accept his word when he said Jesus was put to death on a CROSS.
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  A Brother Speaks Out!

  by silentlambs in

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  2. friends

  the following letter was sent to me today, it seems the congregation letter of 5-24-02 did not make everyone happy.. silentlambs .

  june 7, 2002. .

  watchtower.

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  gumby

  But, she also said she thinks "Jehovah used them to get the policy changed." Who can figure?

  So right Mulan....whatever "makes them feel better", do they use these pat phrases to explain that Jehovah was involved.
  She still cannot see it's her organisations policy and not the elders fault......why?
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  "They know we have the truth!"

  by Atreyu in

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  2. beliefs

  i remember a popular idea that often surfaced in informal discussions among the jws in my congregation, especially back in the 70ies:.

  (this was in norway, and please remind that the evangelical-lutheran church is a national church and that ca 95% of population are members.).

  "the priests know that we have the truth!".

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  gumby

  Atrayu. Nice post.

  This has been true in much of what is in a dubs mind.

  It is said of the clergy...'They have hidden Jehovahs name because they HATE him,
  and they purposely teach doctrines they KNOW are false to MISLEAD PEOPLE "......as if to say they are just "wicked men, working overtime for satan"
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  The Bible Does Not Condemn Witchcraft

  by Sirona in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the jws are against anything remotely pagan and they're certainly against witchcraft.

  they say the bible condemns it.

  scriptures such as exodus 22:v18 "you must not preserve a sorceress alive" (nwt) or as the king james version says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".

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  gumby

  Sirona: 'Uncle Arthur' was a witch and he was male!

  I think the reason the bible condems witchcraft is because the types of things witches do.....eg; kidnapping little dogs and scarecrows by flying monkeys!!!!....how awful!
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  Questions From Readers

  by Guest 77 in

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  2. friends

  ok, we all know the old wt routine of inserting a question from readers at the back of the wt.

  here's one for this forum.. i'm going to set the stage for my question.. jah is a holy and an exacting god.

  he does not tolerate uncleaness/ sin and this was shown in the experience of the first human pair.

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  gumby

  Quote:......"Jah is a HOLY and an exacting God. He does not tolerate uncleaness/ sin"

  God does not TOLERATE sin? I guess were all doomed! We all sin.
  Wasn't that why Christ came.....to cleanse us from sin?

  Even unintentianal sin, or a little goof-up is sin....deserving of death. Nobody can be free of sin unless what is said about Christ and his atonement is true.
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  Circuit Overseer online. Welcome to my pages

  by Carlo in

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  2. friends

  hi brothers and sisters.

  i am a jw circuit overseer.

  you are welcome to visit my pages.. http://www.angelfire.dom/ky/proclaimer.

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  gumby

  Patio..Welcome Carlo, to the international coffee house. I hope you enjoy your stay.
  So, what brings you here and tell us a little bit more about yourself.

  You have 1800 and some posts and you don't remember Bro. Carlo?
  He has been around a while, as has his site.

  The newbies have taken over the board....no one remembers carlo.

  DR,
  Have we been feeling a little horney lately dude? Lots of talk from you lately about nasty stuff.
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  JW's Sell Kingdom Hall

  by RR in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a while back, i told of my wife going by our old kingdom hall and surprised to see an american flag hanging by the window.

  i thought this was picture worthy news, and some of you agreed.. well it turns out the congregation sold the hall to a phillipino church.

  1. they doing business with babylon.

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  gumby

  I see Farkles point....if a brother made $10,000 a year by being a church grounds keeper.....or if the society profits $10,000 from a one-time sale.....the money is the same.

  Why should the society be able to profit but the brother cannot?
  Remember their argument is to not AID babylon in any way in her false worship.....don't be a SHARER in her wicked works.

  Selling your hall knowingly to babylon so they can have a church would be AIDING them....wouldn't it?....the same as mowing the lawn?

  Discrimination could be charged against them for NOT selling to a church if it was LISTED on the market.....so they bend the rules.
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  This Board and JWs

  by comforter in

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  2. friends

  at one time, this board seemed to be fair.

  but i no longer think that it is, to jws, at least.

  ex-jws here can cuss, insult, say fu to everybody they don't like, and call jws pedophiles.

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  Hi Comforter:
  I agree...people should not talk down one another.
  However....there are ones here that were disrespectful when they were a witness.

  Others, have a LOT of bitterness and lonliness and and disrupted lives for merely disagreeing with the organisation.....and have lost ALL family and friends because of being disfellowshiped for that very reason. It is hard...to stay silent and not VENT about it to others.

  Most on this board..I feel are good people and are there when you need advise.

  Many do not think enough of the newcomer who knows nothing about the problems with the organisation, they need help, and they read things that drive them away.

  The witnesess have many good things about them that I like better than the churches....but sad to say.....they are so extremely legalistic, and demand THEY are alone Gods organisation, and all others are false.....they make themselves a cult.

  Besides the fact that their Good News is NOT the Good news the bible has in mind.

  I hope you stick around and take the heat....it DOES get easier to deal with. I wish you the best.
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  Other thoughts: the two witnesses idea

  by larc in

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  2. friends

  whether the two witnesses to two separate incidences is new or old, it is still a very stupid policy.

  let us suppose a child was raped and their parents took the matter to police.

  further suppose that the police said, that they couldn't investigate because there had not been any other complaints against the rapist.

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  The scriptural mandate was not to bring an accusation against someone with no PROOF. There had to be 2 or 3

  Nothing was said you couldn't look into the matter more for PROOF....asking others.
  Today,... as francois mentioned, we have different types of PROOF, DNA. hair samples, fingerprints. These serve as binding in a law of court, the same as 2 or 3 witnesses would be in bible times.

  Would Jesus have demanded if a brother said he didn't do something...that you could't look for PROOF when you strongly suspected him?

  With the Borg you are not allowed to look for any PROOF......or else!
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  I have a confession to make

  by BATHORY in

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  i couldnt sleep tonight, i mean i just went to bed and tryed, but something inside of me forced me back up to write this post, and im dead tired.. i guess i always knew that i did it, even though it fell deep deep into the pits of my mind.. at times ( like now ) when i look back and think " did i really do that " at times i almost convince myself that it wasnt me, it was a story someone had related to me, a scene in a movie that i somehow integrated into my memory and now wasnt sure if it is real or not etc etc.. friggin damb it though, as much as i find relief in toying with the forced denials of it all, and then wondering onto a different thought line without ever coming to a conclusion or facing my actions and dealing with it in an appropriate way......i guess thats what im attempting to do here at 2:20 in the bloody morning !.

  i think i remember touching a girl ( she was 12 ) in an inappropriate way.

  she was the young daughter of the family that were studying with my parents, and during the study i would play with the kids and anyhow.. im sorry if this sounds weird, its late, im tired and with all this talk lately i guess it has surfaced out from the latent annals of my deepest memory.. .

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  gumby

  You were 14 and she was 12. Gee...2 years difference...how awful!

  Are you serious! What are you ashamed of? The age difference, or grabbing a boob?