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Church Fathers Purposely Lied about Jesus

by gumby in

josephus as most know, was a jewish/roman 1st century historian.

he was well respected by the roman community and christians were zealous readers of his works.. he is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of jesus earthly existence.

here is a quote that is used by some christians who strongly believe these words came from the hand of josephus himself,"now, there was about this time, jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.

gumby

First off...thanks to y'all for makin me popular again

Kristopher,

How interesting...there are more writings on Jesus than there are on Plato, Socrates, Bhudda, and Genghis Kahn. THe writings by any historians examination are also more valid given the time and consistency of their writings.

There are also lots of books about Bugs Bunny and Harry Potter....but because people wrote of them doesn't make them real. Also, the amount of writings on an individual doesn't make the individual "more true".

......Hmm...some people just will do anything to NOT believe.

And some people will do almost anything TO believe.

Did Peter exist? Did Paul exist? Did any of the apostles exist? Or are they all just made up peoples too?

Who knows?

You've got a lot of balls to be crucified upside down for someone that doesn't exist...but of course that's just a fable too, right? Fables gave way to fables until people were willing to be burned alive and torn apart by lions for them, right?

Just like witnesses have to have balls to let their loved ones die from no blood transfusions.....and just like Muslims have balls who crash planes into big buildings for Allah and kill thousands.

I know you REALLY don't want to believe gumster..but c'mon, let's be a bit reasonable.

Your the one who doesn't want to believe. You cannot even address my threads argument. Gumby

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The Weather in Portland today

by under_believer in

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current conditions

updated: 11 min 39 sec ago disable rapid fire about rapid fire

observed at: portland, oregon elevation:

gumby

...were gonna statrt calling you Kate-bandwidth-waster

Check this out,

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Gumby.....who balls are bakin when he's in the sun to a nice golden brown

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My wonderful boyfriend

by fullofdoubtnow in

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i don't know why, but i felt a bit low today.

i had the blues this morning, and just couldn't shake them off.

i'm usually quite chatty, but i have been very quiet today, and it wasn't long before dedpoet noticed.

gumby

yank a handful of hair out of his head and send me his DNA so i can have him cloned

LMAO!

Dang Linda...I ain't even close to gay, but I might even go out with the guy if you ever lose him...and I'm married!.. Heck, I thought I was ther last sweet guy on the planet and yer guy showed me up.

Gumtwin

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Church Fathers Purposely Lied about Jesus

by gumby in

josephus as most know, was a jewish/roman 1st century historian.

he was well respected by the roman community and christians were zealous readers of his works.. he is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of jesus earthly existence.

here is a quote that is used by some christians who strongly believe these words came from the hand of josephus himself,"now, there was about this time, jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.

gumby

Gee, ever since the nutsack thread went away, I ain't popular anymore.

Gumthrownout

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Church Fathers Purposely Lied about Jesus

by gumby in

josephus as most know, was a jewish/roman 1st century historian.

he was well respected by the roman community and christians were zealous readers of his works.. he is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of jesus earthly existence.

here is a quote that is used by some christians who strongly believe these words came from the hand of josephus himself,"now, there was about this time, jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure.

gumby

Josephus as most know, was a Jewish/Roman 1st century historian. He was well respected by the Roman community and christians were zealous readers of his works.

He is one person christians use as a solid basis for proof of Jesus earthly existence.

Here is a quote that is used by some christians who strongly believe these words came from the hand of Josephus himself,

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

– Josephus (aka Joseph ben Matthias) The Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3: the so called Testimonium Flavianum

There's a really big problem with this being his words. The problem is, ALL of the writers who were christian apologist in all of their arguments to validate Jesus existence.....NEVER quote these precious words of their beloved and trusted historian. Why? Why is it not until the 4th century that these words appear as Josephus words....and THEN only are they used as argumentation for Jesus existence?

Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes not a single reference to Josephus wondrous words. Even in the 3rd century....Origen in all his battles with the pagans makes zero reference to these supposed words that came from Josephus

If these words were truly existent in Josephus ORIGINAL writings, then WHY did not these early christian apologists/writers use them in jesus defence?

I'm thinkin it's time we go on a damn witch hunt and find the bastards who added those words and sue their asses and get richer than a bastard!

Gumcolumbo

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help--my car chugs when i takek my foot off the gas...

by orbison11 in

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greetings all you car buffs.

i am having troubles with my car...91 t-bird,,,when i take my foot off gas, it chugs, like it is going to stall...... any ideas?.

orbi

gumby

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I WENT TO CHURCH THIS MORNING....

by Mary in

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after the distastful and depression memorial at the kingdom hall last wednesday night, i guess i just felt the need to go somewhere else this morning for easter so i drove around.......i was going to go to the presbyterian church but the service wasn't untill 11:00am....ditto for the lutheran and united churches too, so i ended up going to the catholic church (of all places!

) because the service started at 9:30am.

never been to a catholic service before, (except for one wedding and one funeral years ago).

gumby

So Mary.....did you attend this morning.....or are you gonna be a little ol' innactive/irregular publisher?

I been thinking of going lately just for the hell of it. I like to see different faiths, different people, watch faces and actions.....and I like to ask the male members if they'd like to have their nutbags shinned........

......................................................................................just kiddin bout the last deal.

If you guys ever want some entertainment......go to a pentocostal, church of god, or any other charismatic church and see if you can sit through the whole service without gettin scared....or mad. One-a-these days I'm gonna attend one and fake like I'm talkin in tongues but actually throw in some cusswords and see if anyone catches it..

"Ama cacca raheem shilo shitface, bahemmoth rabba ratshit ya meo alla babba bitch gonda kiee asswipy anda fuckayoubebahamma mamma nutsackee um massa".

That outta fool the bastards

Gumtongues

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help--my car chugs when i takek my foot off the gas...

by orbison11 in

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greetings all you car buffs.

i am having troubles with my car...91 t-bird,,,when i take my foot off gas, it chugs, like it is going to stall...... any ideas?.

orbi

gumby

A 91' eh?

Sounds like it's not getting gas when your foot is off the pedal as it should. Could be an accelorator pump/diaphram. Will it idle without your foot on the gas while your sitting still?

If that ain't the problem, take it to a shop cuz you'll get 150 answers here

Gumechanicnot

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Jehovah's Witnesses paid me a visit this morning. {the new Tract}

by SixofNine in

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on another discussion board, the following was posted with the title i used here.

thought i'd share (be sure to check out the last paragraph, which is the guy's "take" on the jw message.

i didn't actually speak to them, because i was still in bed, but their presence certainly sent my dog barking like crazy.

gumby

8 Accordingly Jehovah scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth, and they gradually left off building the city. 9 That is why its name was called Ba´bel, because there Jehovah had confused the language of all the earth, and Jehovah had scattered them from there over all the surface of the earth.

I always wondered HOW he scattered them.

Did he.....take them in a real big u-haul, a jet, a tornado but landed them safely? How did he scatter them? If they scattered themselves......WHY did they scatter? Did they scatter themselves because they didn't like being around people who talked differently than each other? How many in a group spoke the same language? Was it in groups of 10, 20, 50....how many? Evidently, Jehovah wasn't done creating on the 7th day since he CREATED some new languages at Babel.

Gumfused

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Do you have nightmares about going back?

by Mysterious in

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anyone else ever have nightmares where they find themselves in a kingdom hall.

i keep dreaming i came home and my mom laid out my clothes and just like a robot i put them on and go to the book study all the while thinking how it's wrong and i shouldn't be here but i can't stop myself.

gumby

My dreams find me in frustrating conversations with fellow JW's..........My wife says that I'm very animated and, at times, loud

Me too TMS

I can never recall my dreams for some reason for the most part.....but I get the loud moans often. It's a terrified sound my wife says and it can scare her. I never know what the dream is about, but I'm sure it's related to a fear of rejection from this religion we were raised in. I don't get the animated part I guess.

Gumby....who's always glad to see TMS post.