Posts by wobble

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Does anyone here believe in ET's? That we are not alone on this vast Universe?

by IamPresence2012 in

being brought up a jw until age 25. i never made an attempte to search anywhere else for information until i moved out (thank god).

thanks to the internet,, my curiosity led me to different websites, books, documentaries and video presentations.

one of the topic at large was ufo's i remember there was an awake (inthe 80 or 90's) but was too young to comprehend or figure out what it was.

wobble

I am very confident that life exists elsewhere in the Universe, this is about the only faith position I hold in life.

I call it a faith position because there is no proof as yet, and may never be, it could well be that we are just too far away for any kind of contact.

But, man moves ever forward, and it will come as no surprise to me if a way is found to establish the existence of life out there.

Certainly there must be many places in the universe, in addition to the ones already confirmed, that are ideal for carbon based life to occur, evolve and flourish.

I sometimes wonder if intelligent life may be found on earth !

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Watchtower: DEATH is their Value What about the Laws of Noah?

by Terry in

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life is the greatest value.. for ordinary humans self-preservation is the beginning of all other values.. without life no other values are even possible.. religiously speaking, this is especially true!.

a dead person cannot worship a living god.

when death becomes a valuable purpose it exposes a core insanity.. .

wobble

Any seeming defence of the WT's murderous , unscriptural doctrine is like red rag to abull to me, I may have jumped too quick KN, but I still think it is worth saying, to deny your people life saving procedures, as the WT does, is the same as putting a gun to the head of the poor JW who lays dying.

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Watchtower: DEATH is their Value What about the Laws of Noah?

by Terry in

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life is the greatest value.. for ordinary humans self-preservation is the beginning of all other values.. without life no other values are even possible.. religiously speaking, this is especially true!.

a dead person cannot worship a living god.

when death becomes a valuable purpose it exposes a core insanity.. .

wobble

Eating blood is not the same as transfusing blood. The prohibition on blood in Acts does not in any way refer to the medical use of blood to save life.

The JW argument/example about abstain from alcohol = do not inject it, has been dealt with on here, and has also been made redundant by their acceptance of blood fractions.

That great trinitarian Tertullion may well have been referring to christians of jewish background to whom blood sausage would be anathema anyway, or perhaps they contained "things strangled", again, the early christian refusal is not of a life saving medical procedure but of a food.

The Acts decree is to deal with a problem that arose between gentiles becoming christians and the jews who already followed christ, it is a decree to solve a first century local problem, and has nothing to do with medical practice in the 21st century.

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Serious discussion: Why our Brain cannot take us to God

by Terry in

we have brains and can think.. when we talk about god we leave behind material, physical sensible "things".

it is the voice of intellect not brain.

the proof is in the pudding.. the voice of god would not be mans voice.. intellect is our vehicle and it is not the atoms of a meat brain, nor vegetables nor poetry.

wobble

So, are you saying Jehovahs Witnesses have never had an orgasm ?

Sorry Terry, couldn't resist that, well written thoughts as usual. How to explain the ineffable ? Difficult, if not impossible by the very nature of the task.

You would think that a God of love would have explained Himself to us though, wouldn't you?

(Holds breath waiting for christians to weigh in)

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Watchtower Wrong about Noah and blood

by Marvin Shilmer in

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watchtower wrong about noah and blood.

today i added a new article to my blog addressing underpinning watchtower plies to validate its blood taboo.

as it turns out, watchtower must think that two wrongs make a right!

wobble

Well done again Marvin, I do admire your tenacity and integrity in sticking to your life saving work.

It is typical of them that the WT has to try to give their wacky interpretation of the decree in Acts some gravitas by bringing in a totally fictional character - Noah.

If anybody reads the Acts account in full, with a modicum of knowledge of how to read the Bible, and with an open mind, he or she could never conclude that there was any element of medical usage of blood touched on here, even as the WT loves to say "in principle" or "by extension".

It is time they were stopped from promulgating their murderous teaching, it is the 21st century !

I hope your efforts bear much fruit, Marvin.

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My grandmother has died - All I am thinking about is the JW funeral...

by exjehovah in

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my jw grandmother passed away last night after a long battle with alzhemers disease.

she suffered a lot at the end of her life, a shell of who she ounce was, so i am happy she is at peace.

as i mentioned my brother died a short three months ago.

wobble

I am so sorry that you have to suffer this, and at apainful time in your life too. I just wonder, is there no alternative for you ?

One that springs to mind if there is going to be a burial is simply to turn up at the graveside only, admittedly even there you have to listen to their doctrine spouted as an info-mercial, but at least you make the point that you have attended out of respect for grandmother.

This may not be the case of course, in which case you have my sympathy, please go, and hold your head high, nod and smile greetings to those who may ignore you, it will show that you are above their petty, unchristian ways.

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Searching For an Elder's Manual (with margin scribble)

by arko_n9ne in

every day i am on here, i learn new things.

a little while back, there was a post about the existense of elder manuals with km required notes in the margin area that gave away a little more than the gb wanted.. how do i get my hands on a copy of that?

i know it's difficult to obtain pay attention (with margin scribble) and it's all the more difficult to obtain a copy of shepherd the flock of god (with margin scribble) since it is relatively newer.. if anyone could help me find a copy, be it hardcopy or pdf, i would give my left cheek.

wobble

Interesting to see the stuff that the WT does not want to admit to, especially their instructions for dealing with cases of abuse.

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Do JWs have a biblically normative relationship with Jesus christ?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i would say that that would be impossible...given that jesus christ is simply an angelic being in wts eyes.. jehovah's witnesses have about as much a relationship with the angel gabriel as they do with jesus.. and, no...tacking on the name of jesus at the end of a prayer is not evidence of relationship..

wobble

Harry Potter is much more visible, the box set is available, quite cheap on Amazon, of course, he too is fictional.

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Anyone EVER had an Elder with a beard??? I can't remember even one!

by Witness 007 in

the society once even pictured jesus as clean shaven for many years in it's books.

beards were "sort of" banned.

i don't remember a single brother who had privledges with a beard....anyone else?.

wobble

Here in the U.K there are a few, they would not be used at a Circuit Assy etc for giving talks, even if you are just a publisher you may possibly not be used if bearded just to give a FS experience at the Assy !

In Ireland they can have one, but again don't get to do anything at Assys.

As Cedars says, this is typical Pharisee stuff, rule making, the rules are hidden too, not in any WT , but in the printed instructions to Bros handling Assy parts.

When rules are made like this , the local wacky Elders get to dictate what is worn at KH and in FS etc, which results in being able to spot a JW in any town anywhere, because they stand out as slightly weird.

How different from Jesus, who when being chased simply melted, and melded into the crowd, he must have had dress and grooming just like the "worldlings"'

Today, if Jesus dressed as do the normal people, he would not be allowed to visit Bethel.

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Where are Gods people

by frigginconfused in

im having difficulty with this.

no where else can you find a chrstian org with people like the ones ive seen in the halls.

im not talking the good ol' boy club.

wobble

Are you saying that you would not associate with J.F Rutherford and the sincere people who formed his religion in the early 1920's, if you lived then ?

Because its a fact that JFR and his pals celebrated Christmas and Birthdays at Bethel then.

By the way, what hasn't got pagan roots ? Wedding Ring ? days of the week ? do you use different names for them than I do ?

I could go on, but you must get the point ?