Posts by wobble

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Is it naive to believe that you will always be faithful to your partner?

by nicolaou in

i was told i was naive for saying that i'd never cheat - ever.

but i meant it honestly.

i guess my question is, can it happen to anyone?

wobble

When I married my dear Wife at the age of twenty it was with the belief that we would be together for eternity !

But temptation is always there, I managed to resist many fantastic situations over the years,you would not believe !!, because of feeling like "St Anne " said, God would be so upset with me.

But then I fell in love with someone I shouldn't have. I did not act on it, but I know that my conscience was SO tested,my resolve almost gone,not because of lust or a bad marriage but because of this crazy thing called love. Jeez what is that all about ?

My wife and I are still together after 38 years, but it was a close call,and all my fault .

I was naive at twenty,but I still hope we will be together forever.

Love

Wobble

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How Many Sit on the Fence?

by sammielee24 in

i was checking out another topic and pulled off something that wobble said.. given that - how many of you would go back if the wts decided to enact shunning for everybody who was not active?

if tomorrow they decided that da'ing or fading or in simple terms, being inactive for any reason whatsoever, was a shunning offense - how many would start going back immediately just so their family wouldn't be cut off?

how many would not go back and would instead would be willing to stand firm on their belief that the wts is wrong in what they teach?

wobble

I know for myself that I could never go back whatever ! My exit was for scriptural and conscientious reasons,and as I said to my dear wife earlier today ,it's a shame.but I find I have to listen to my conscience.

My respect for what is right is bigger than my love for my family,but I do love them and if I can keep contact with them I will, but not at any cost.

As Mr Flipper said would you "swim back to the Titanic" ?

Having just climbed out of a cesspit,would you dive back in?

I think some version of forcing one to DA was on the cards,but along came the credit crunch and I think they cannot afford to lose any more contributors,so that one will be put on hold I reckon.

Love

Wobble

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Beyond Post-ism: Moral Clarity

by hamilcarr in

mind over whats the matterby simon blackburnpublished: july 27, 2008nyt_inline_image_position1 it is very hard to write well about ethics, and especially so in a way that engages and interests that elusive phantom of writers imaginations, the general reader.

but susan neimans previous book on ethics, evil in modern thought, was widely and favorably reviewed, and the present work is a worthy successor.

neimans particular skill lies in expressing sensitivity, intelligence and moral seriousness without any hint of oversimplification, dogmatism or misplaced piety.

wobble

Lovely stuff,thanks to all for the thread, I am so pissed at the moment that I can almost understand what you are saying ! Excuse me while I get another beer ........

Love and respect,

Wobble

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X-Witnesses and Faders - have you had a help them return visit yet?

by eyeslice in

with the watchtower study about helping 'lost sheep' return, i have been half expecting a visit.

i have mentally rehearsed how i should handle the situation, which is fairly tricky as i still have family in.

but no call yet.

wobble

It's amazing how many of us are in an awkward position if we do get a call coz we still have family in and we don't want to be cut offf from them.

It's a right bugger really coz I would like to thrash it out with all my family and free them up,but some of them I think really need to be in for a while.

My sister (Pioneer for over 40 years,most of them as a "Special"), wrote to me,told me what convinces her and I am composing a reply that challenges all she says but that I hope is not enough to get me busted, difficult !

My other sister waded into me the other day with a Dubby-Culty rant, both of these actions prompted by the WT article.

It is noteworthy that the two brothers who came to "help" me last year (separately) have not been near. I left them both with a different question

which if answered would have proved that Dubs were God's org, do you think they are having trouble answering???

Love

Wobble

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Sorry, I need your help

by wobble in

dear all,.

i know this has been covered,but my pioneer sister said in a letter to me about what convinces her dubs have the truth,re the worldwide preaching of hope of life on a paradise earth, "who else does that?".

now i know other religions teach a kingdom on earth,but she will say they don't preach that worldwide.. could you give me some ammo.

wobble

Many thanks to all who replied,helpfull stuff!

I don't think I'll have much success in getting her to wake up,she has pioneered for over forty years,but at least I will be able to express how the things that convince her don't begin to impress me ,in a way that might stop her using the same arguments again.

Many thanks again!

love

Wobble

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Sorry, I need your help

by wobble in

dear all,.

i know this has been covered,but my pioneer sister said in a letter to me about what convinces her dubs have the truth,re the worldwide preaching of hope of life on a paradise earth, "who else does that?".

now i know other religions teach a kingdom on earth,but she will say they don't preach that worldwide.. could you give me some ammo.

wobble

Dear All,

I know this has been covered,but my pioneer sister said in a letter to me about what convinces her Dubs have the truth,re the Worldwide Preaching of hope of life on a Paradise earth, "Who else does that?"

Now I know other religions teach a kingdom on earth,but she will say they don't preach that worldwide.

Could you give me some ammo. for my reply? I tried searching on here and didn't come up with anything great.

Many many thanks,

Wobble

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Why do you believe in the Trinity?

by JimmyPage in

jw
friends

i believe in god but no longer accept the wt's views.

i still find the idea of the trinity hard to accept, however, probably because of my jw upbringing.

a coworker's child died and i attended the church memorial.

wobble

I think a JW indoctrination is a bar to understanding the deity of Christ, strangely one of the best explnations I have read came from a Christadelphian,and they don't believe in the Trinity as presented in the creeds.

If I can find the quote I will post it later,but I find quite often debates about the trinity are more about semantics,the difficulty being we are only able to use anthropomorphisms to descibe the spirit persons and so what do we mean by this or that?

One thing I am clear on is that just because someone believes in the trinity this does not make him a pagan or a demon,and his thoughts are worth listening to.

Love

Wobble

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Should you believe in the Trinity book says...

by middleman in

just put together a little document comparing the watchtower's misquotes from page 7 of their trinity book.

i have been reading much of the ante nicene fathers lately and the more i read them it amazes me that the society would even mention them to refute the trinity.

by reading the writings from these early church fathers we can truly see that they belived the core doctines that mainstream christians follow today (for the most part).

wobble

Dear Middleman,

I too read these writings a while ago and came to the same conclusion,the Anti-nicene fathers seem to be trying honestly to make sense of their faith,not trying to add to scripture.

With the WT brochure on the Trinity I found an even more blatant mis-quote,which may be highlighted when you find that other thread,but they quote a modern scholar in part, as disproving the trinity,but if you read the quote in full it shows he supports the deity of Christ,not casts doubt on it.

I don't have access at present to either the Brochure or the original quote,but if you don't come accross it PM me and I will try to locate it.

Thanks for your good work so far.

Love

Wobble

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What is your favorite Bible myth?

by AK - Jeff in

i'll start:.

garden of eden.

one naked lady allows a talking snake to get her to eat an apple that god made.

wobble

I don't know about my favourite Bible myth,but my favourite mith hath big breaths and is only sixthteen!

love

wobble

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2009 JW Devival theme - "Keep on the Watch!"

by kurtbethel in

all right boys and girls.

the devival is coming!.

annual conventions to begin in may 2009. jehovahs witnesses have organized the keep on the watch!

wobble

Aren't they afraid when they (mis) quote "He will ruin those ruining the Earth" ? With all that gas for the driving and extra CO2 from hotel aircon etc. that they are really bad polluters?

Why not put all those "exciting" talks,all that "wonderfull spiritual food" on DVD and ask the (suckers) Bros. to contribute $50 dollars each for the DVD.

That way every family would save money,and Dubs could say they are saving the planet for their Paradise Earth (TM) and WTBS gets loads more $$$ !

Love

Wobble