Posts by GWEEDO

No, I just take the crappy books out to the gun range and shoot them with my Hekler & Koch USP 9mm and my Walther P99 9mm and PPK 380(short 9)9x17 kerzl and soon my Rudger 38+ revolver...

Shit man!!!

You do read them first, don't you?

You dont just buy them for target practice?

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

Clash,

Achristian showing that his integrity has not changed since the WT days...

Geez..

Speak for yourself. Here you are accussing AC of having as much integrity as the WT, and you post this load of crap:

Some advise, This book that I'm going to show you sucks stay away from this garbage aChristain you have no business reading this next book whick is crap....John Spong is a loser. He hates the bible

Now this is classic WT.

So...had any book burning sessions lately Clash?

Poisoning the well does not deal with the issues this is still the same kind of WT tactic uses to avoid the black eye of being refuted.

Yeah, right back at yah dummy

GOOD BOOK

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

AChristian

Quick question:

Do Adam and Eve get a resurrection?

This is just one of the questions I was asking myself before I decided to dump it all and become an agnostic with strong atheistic leanings.

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

>But it wasn't their actions that cost their childrens lives.
Yes, it was...

No it wasn't

It was God who chose to act the way he did. He could have struke them down with lightning bolts; He could have done nothing; But he's the one who chose to act the way he did...not anyone else. I think your passing the buck here.

but anyway...

Hey, we may disagree here. But we usually manage to do so without being disagreeable. Besides, this discussion board would be kind of dull if we all agreed on everything.

agreed

Have a great Christmas, Gweedo.

dido

...and dont drink too much plonk!

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

Achristian,

One of the lessons taught in the flood of Noah's day was that when people live their lives unrighteously their actions often end up hurting not just themselves, but also their children and even their neighbors.

But it wasn't their actions that cost their childrens lives. It was Gods actions. The lesson I learn from the flood story is this: cross God and he will punish you severly and he doesn't care if he makes the innocent suffer in the process. He will put his desire to speak in cryptic messages and symbols ahead of innocent human suffering. I have trouble with such a God. The thought of such a God doesn't warm my heart at all!

Yes, God could have used some kind of "smart bombs" to kill just the guilty adults in Noah's land, and He could have made sure that no one in any neighboring land was harmed in any way by the judgment He brought upon Noah's land. But had he done those things, the lesson I just spoke of would not have been taught.

Surely by God just zapping people selectively, the lesson that our actions have consequences would still have been taught. The lesson is simple: live an unrighteous life and God will zap you with lightning bolts, as opposed to: live an unrighteous life and God will kill you and many others who probably dont deserve it. To selectively kill would have been a good way of God expressing his concern for innocence; It would have been an example to us that we should hold innocence in high regard; That people should not be held accountable for other peoples actions. It would have taught us that God actually believes in and abides by the laws he demands us humans abide by: Dt. 24:16 & Ezek. 18:20.

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

Achristian

How could he have taken the kids? Could he have forcefully abducted all of them from their parents?

So instead he killed them all??? Maybe God could have used lightning bolts to selectively kill all the bad people and then had mr and mrs Noah go and get them all. He could have had the angels to look after the kids until mr and mrs Noah got to them. God could have found a way. He's a pretty creative guy isnt he?

Also, you didn't answer my point about God using symbolism ahead of human life. What about those people on the fringes of the flood and comet impact who would have suffered greatly.. all so God could point cryptically to some future messiah and his future works?

How about Afghanistan. Osama bin Laden is bad fellow. So is Al-aqaeda and the Taliban. The US could have nuked the place, but that would have killed millions of innocents. As it is they went in and targeted more specifically. The US operation isn't perfect (but they arnt God), and they probably killed many more civilians than the US gov is letting on...but the point is: atleast they made some distinction between the baddies and innocents. If they had just nuked the place they would have been guilty of grosse inhumanity. But isn't that what God has done here, he has nuked a whole area when he could have used some kind of 'smart weapondry' and been more specific in his killing. There must have been many people who didn't die, but suffered horribly, and others that did suffer horrible deaths on the fringes of this disaster God brought...All because God had some bizarre symbolism he wanted to express??? And it's not even very good symbolism since you yourself seem to be quite tentative about accepting that God was "prefiguring" Jesus when he decided to bring the flood! Other people wouldn't see the link at all...and wouldn't care, I greatly suspect!

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

You wrote: Why were the birds taken along in the supposed ark if it were just a local event? (Good question, Gweedo)

Well, rem. Credit where credits due...I'm just repeating whats already been said. See Janh's article.

Achristian

Genesis 7:3 plainly states that the reason Noah took all the various kinds of birds on the ark was to keep their kinds alive throughout the land. The Bible tells us that while Noah's land was being flooded it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, presumably quite hard. It is doubtful that any kind of bird would have tried flying through such a downpour. They would have waited for the storm to let up before taking off in search of a dryer place to live. However, before that storm let up Noah's land was completely flooded. Though Noah's flood was not global, it probably looked that way to those on board the ark. From what I have read most advocates of a local flood believe the waters covered well over 3,000 square miles, an area about 60 miles from west to east and about 100 miles from north to south. If Noah had not taken the birds of his land onto the ark and somehow some of them managed to avoid drowning until the rain let up enough to fly away, how many of them would be able to fly those distances without taking a rest on dry land? With such things in mind, I tend to believe it was necessary for Noah to take birds onto the ark in order to preserve alive all the different kinds of birds in his land.

I knew you'd answer like this!

However, it may be asked, "Why was it necessary for Noah to take any kinds of animals onto the ark to preserve their 'kind' alive in his land?" After all, few, if any, species of animals were then indigenous only to Noah's small part of the world. Certainly once Noah's land dried somewhat, it soon became populated with the same kinds of animals coming from other lands which Noah took onto the ark. So then, why was Noah instructed to take all of the different kinds of animals in his land onto the ark? (Hebrews 1:3)

Exactly

You beat me to it!

Again, I can only repeat my belief that Noah did so because God intended him to prefigure Jesus Christ, who the Bible tells us "sustains all things."

See, I dont get it. This flood killed many people. Both people who rejected Noahs message, and heaps of innocent children who appear to be rather expendable. Also on the fringes of this flood and distasterous meteor impact(one of those articles you put up says was the equivalent of many nuKes) I'm assuming there must have been many people who didn't die, so obviously didn't deserve Gods punishment, but nonetheless would have suffered greatly. Their Crops would have been destroyed, so there would have been horrible starvation. And Floods bring disease too BTW...thats not very nice. And God did all this just to complete some bizarre symbolism. Why didn't he just snap his fingers and strike those people undeserving down with lightning bolts. But no, he had to get all fancy and creative about killing people just so he could have this bizarre symbolism and prefigure Jesus's future actions. It just seems like Gods priorities are around the wrong way. He's putting symbolism ahead of human suffering!

Also, if he wanted to flood the place for symoblic reasons, and there was no real point taking animals on board. He could have taken the kids that otherwise died in the flood. They were innocent!!! He could have turned the Ark into a giant floating orphanage or something, instead of a zoo...It would have been better than letting kids die horrible deaths in some flood!!!!!!!!!!

sorry, I dont get it.

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space.com dates Noah's flood to 2350 B.C.

by aChristian in

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friends

the watchtower society dates noah's flood to 2370 b.c.e.

they do this by following bible chronology quite closely, counting backwards from 607 b.c.e., their date for babylon's destruction of jerusalem.

however, as we know, the society's date for that event is in error.

GWEEDO

To get me to believe the bible is talking about a local flood AChristian is going to have give a better explanation as to why Noah took birds onto the Ark.

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Lord of the Rings

by think41self in

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hey guys,.

the family and i just got back from seeing the movie.

those of you who read the books will not be disappointed!

GWEEDO

How faithful is it too the books?