Posts by Galileo

i just got back from seeing the new movie release "expelled" which is a documentary exposing the militant culture of supression regarding intelligent design in the scientific community.

in a "million years", i never would have imagined that ben stein could get the author of "the god delusion", richard dawkins to speak favorably about i.d.

(intellignet design).

Galileo

How about reading the reviews

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ex=1332475200&en=709faf668585ee66&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg

From the New York Times: "One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time, “Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed” is a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry."

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Richard Dawkins Gets "Expelled" by Ben Stein!

by Perry in

i just got back from seeing the new movie release "expelled" which is a documentary exposing the militant culture of supression regarding intelligent design in the scientific community.

in a "million years", i never would have imagined that ben stein could get the author of "the god delusion", richard dawkins to speak favorably about i.d.

(intellignet design).

Galileo

Perry, do you reject the science of "editing" as well?

I think this is your most telling statement:

The militant atheists will be removed from their ivory towers in due time just like the nazis and communists.

You, sir, are a douche.

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NYT reviews "Expelled"

by Galileo in

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"one of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time, "expelled: no intelligence allowed" is a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry.

" priceless!

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ex=1332475200&en=709faf668585ee66&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg

Galileo

"One of the sleaziest documentaries to arrive in a very long time, "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" is a conspiracy-theory rant masquerading as investigative inquiry." Priceless! http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/04/18/movies/18expe.html?ex=1332475200&en=709faf668585ee66&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg

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Athiest what do you believe?

by real one in

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im just wondering because it seems like you have no hope.

please set me straight.

I believe in facts and evidence, regardless of whether this gives me hope or not. I have no interest in false hope. I do not make up my mind to believe whatever makes me feel the best. I can believe all day that I am an immortal billionaire that every woman on Earth finds absolutely irresistable, and that may make me feel fantastic, but it wouldn't make that true. It would make me delusional.

“A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence” - David Hume

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So what caused you to have doubts in the first place?

by nicolaou in

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i had no doubts at all about the 'truth' untill a friend of mine in the cong' began falling away.

in trying to help him i had to ask questions and do research and that of course cracked the doors of my mind open for the first time in over thirty years.. years ago, when jwd allowed members to have signatures, i used the following quote from voltaire as mine.

i still love it.. doubt is uncomfortable, certainty is ridiculous..

Galileo

I had many doubts thruoughout my life (I was born into the cult), but the one that really got me going was that 607 B.C.E. was an incorrect date. The bible never gives a date of 607 B.C.E., they get the date from secular sources that date Israel's return to rebuild the temple at 537 B.C.E. and then count backward 70 years. Yet the exact same source dates the exile at 587 B.C.E., with much more corroborating evidence to support that date than the 537 date. So choosing 537 and rejecting 587 is totally arbitrary, by their own standards. Once I realized that, the floodgates were open.

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Freeing Minds Im energized!!! :)

by tooktheredpill in

guys: .

im posting this, because i need to share my experience with all of you.

i think it is very important to never loose hope, and never give up, even if youre still inside the borg, like me!!.

Galileo

Awesome! Good luck with the rest of your family!

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Criticism worthy of your time

by johnnyc in

as i read posts throughout this site, i became amazed at some of the criticism people have actually spent time creating, reading (as i did), and responding to.

dont get me wrong, some of what i read are good issues that seem worthy (to me) of discussion, but to be honest, i find that 90% of the posts are based on ridiculous petty topics that are obviously tied to a sense of deep hatred of the wtbts.

i can appreciate that some of the people who leave such post, and have this hatred, are taking their time to discuss such things as part of a therapeutic process to combat the fact they spent a large portion of their life dedicated to an organization they feel abandoned them at some point.

Galileo

Johnny, if you are truly looking for evidence that the JW's teach falsehoods, then I must reiterate that www.jwfacts.com is about the best place to start.

As for a smoking gun, there are many, but the fact that they are factually wrong on 607 B.C.E. is a good one to look into. Without 607, then 1914 is wrong, and the foundation upon which this church was built crumbles. The governing body has been aware that the date of 607 is incorrect since at least the late 60's or early 70's, but has chosen to cover it up by disfellowshipping those that seriously raise the issue (for a full accounting of the matter, see the books "Crisis of Conscience" by former Governing Body member Ray Franz, and "The Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonsson).

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Stay or leave your spouse after leaving JWs - Do you have regrets?

by Awakened at Gilead in

i am in a situation that many of you have faced... whether to stay with my spouse or not after having learned the falsehood of the org.. my wife is diehard witness who gets upset whenever i talk about the org negatively.

she is not happy that i am on jwd... in fact the other day she picked up the keyboard and wanted to throw it accros the room or bash me with it when she saw i was on jwd... she is also very upset about me making friends with "apostates" and worldly people, and told me never to bring them to our home!

this concerns me, since i am not going to have any friends in the org, and i need at least a few friendships...she doesn't want me to talk to the friends in the cong about my decision so that i don't share my doubts.

Galileo

If she is determined to stay in, than I would say make a clean break as quickly as possible. If you have hopes of staying together, I would sit her down and make one final attempt to get her to listen to reason, explain what you've learned in as calm and loving a way as possible, then let her make up her mind. In my opinion, a happy marriage between a half-hearted witness and an unbeliever may be possible, but a happy marriage between a zealot and an unbeliever probably isn't.

My wife and I were together for two years after I let her know I didn't believe this was the truth, and those two years were agony. My regret is that I didn't leave immediately when I realized that having a happy relationship had become impossible. Don't go through with years of unhappiness (on both sides), just for it to end in bitterness anyway years down the road. You have a lot of life left ahead of you. Don't waste any of it.