i guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
your wondering should be taken care of here. This is very plain in the ot.
I know, it is plain. It is addressed it to men. It says nothing about what women should do. That was my point. Go back & reread my post. Anyway, I don't want to take part in thread hijacking, and I know you could babble your fundie nonsense all day, so that's all I'm going to post on the subject.
anybody ever read any really thick books?
(i mean besides the one with the talking snake and the dragon that got hurled down to the sea).
books like "anna karenina" or "the brothers karamazov"?
Ken Follett, Pillars of the earth, and World without end. Both around a 1000 pages.
Those were the first two I thought to mention. I just finished World Without End yesterday. Both of them excellent books. My list also includes: Neal Stephenson: Cryptonomicon, Quicksilver (started The Confusion but haven't gone back to it yet). Ayn Rand: Atlas Shrugged Fyodor Dostoevsky: The Brothers Karamozov Douglas Adams: The Hitchhikers Trilogy (actually five books, but I have the first four bound in one volume, so I'm counting it). Thomas Friedman: The World is Flat
i guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
realone:
I'm not going to lie to anyone on this forum or sugar coat anything to be popular here. I am here to spread the truth. Many here know what truth is but want to hide from it. You can't hide from truth because it will always find you and all those fairy tales you believe will turn out to be the lie.
I agree with you that we shouldn't sugar coat the bible. In that spirit, here's my favorite fact about homosexuality in the bible: The Old Testament, where men are allowed multiple wives, never forbids, or even mentions, lesbianism. Mind you, the Mosaic Law covered explicitly what was allowed and forbidden sexually, including women having sex with animals and which relatives you shouldn't have sex with. It mentions male homosexuality explicitly. Yet no mention at all of lesbianism. I wonder why...
In the New Testament, men were limited to one wife, and low and behold, lesbianism is finally forbidden! The two seemed to go hand in hand. Why was that. Could it be because when men had multiple wives they enjoyed having three ways? Of course! The men that wrote the OT would never forbid lesbianism because they were engaging in sex acts with their multiple wives that involved some degree of lesbianism. All your OT heroes, Abraham, Isaac, David, certainly that ultimate pimp Solomon, were having orgies anytime they felt like it, and god didn't have a thing to say about it. Think about that for a while.
i guess its time to throw my little story out there.
i keep reading everyones stories and thinking how brave you have all been, coming out of the organisation and facing all the repercussions of doing so.. .
i only last august disassociated myself.
Allow me to add my voice to the chorus. Welcome. You have clearly made a difficult choice. I love the image of you tacking your DA letter on the information board, like Martin Luther nailing his treatise to the door of the church. The hatred of homosexuals in the WTS, and in the bible in general, was something I had a hard time with when I was a believer. I always imagined trying to make the choice to be gay, and I couldn't imagine under what circumstance I could do it. I then tried to imagine if the converse was true, if there were those for whom making the choice to be heterosexual was equally difficult.
I have known several gay Witnesses, and it was as plain as the nose on their faces. One in particular I was good friends with since we were both around fourteen. Everyone made jokes about him being gay. When he got older, he bought a Miata and went into the fashion industry. It wasn't long after that that he was disfellowshipped for homosexuality. He is now reinstated and "happily" married to an obese woman. I feel very sorry for him.
Another man I knew personally, although he was much older, actually had his experience recorded in the Awake magazine ("Something Worse Than Aids" 4/22, 1989). When I knew him it was after the events of that magazine, yet he was clearly gay. Thankfully, before he finally succumbed to the disease, he at last told the Elders that he "was gay and theirs nothing he can do about it". I don't know how his final months were, but I hope he found happiness in not having to pretend anymore.
Congratulations on finding the courage to break free. I wish you well and look forward to your future posts.
23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
belbab - thanks for the laugh. I couldn't get through the whole thing, but I got through enough to make it painfully obvious to me that your doctor needs to increase your dosage. It's funny how many believers take the bible as an intellectual exercise as to how they can squish and mold the text into something plausible, instead of simply analyzing the plausibility of what was written. Apparently the one thing god can't do is explain himself coherently on his own.
As I read that article, I felt just like Noah must have after being on that ark for months with all those thousands of animals: Up to my neck in B.S.
23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
I think Elisha was a total asshole, and I find his bald head comical. I'm starting the bear watch now. I'll let you know when they show up.
I just wanted to update everyone on the bear watch. I know a lot of you have been concerned for me. We're into day two now and so far I'm still safe and unmauled. I had a bit of a scare last night around 11. I heard something walking on my deck, and of course I immediately thought "Oh god! Here come the bears!!" But upon investigation it turned out to be my neighbors cat. I'll keep you guys posted as the experiment progresses.
If anyone else is interested in taking part in this extremely perilous experiment, you'd better be prepared: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYkWWnZm6-w
i remember a wt with the word "happifying".
now that's really stupid!!
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Wow...this a really good sign....I don't even remember that song....
And, Galileo, can you elaborate on the other post you made about the molested bees....that just sounds so bizarre....
Song 125: Jehovah Is on My Side
Verse 2 -
2. I know that in this crucial hour
My faith will yet be tested.
Around me swarms the Devil’s crowd
Like bees that were molested.
But I can ever beat them off
Beneath divine protection.
On those who love to bear his name,
God sets his deep affection.
(Chorus)
i remember a wt with the word "happifying".
now that's really stupid!!
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they per-ished ig - no - min - i - ous - ly
Ha! I forgot about that one! Sometimes it seems like their are lyrics in JW songs that got there as the result of a dare or a bet on the part of the author.
23. and he proceeded to go up from there to beth el.
as he was going up on the way, there were small boys that came out from the city and began to jeer him and that kept saying to him: "go up, you baldhead!
go up, you baldhead!
There was apparently a mistranslation of a Hebrew word which could mean children in their late teens rather than prepuberty children. Joseph when sold to slavery was described by that same word.
Also Bethel was a great centre of Baal worship and child sacrifices at the time so the taunting by them of Elijah may have involved more than just teasing him as a bald head. It probably had undertones of Baal worship against jehovah worship,a baalists insulting what elijah worshipped and stood for.
If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his ass hopping. A lot of things could have been. Show me in the text where it says they weren't simply teasing him. If god found it offensive to kill children for simply saying "go up you bald head", then he would have explained how they had done more than that to deserve death.
Further, I submit that responding to taunts of any kind with a bear attack is immoral, regardless of the age of the taunter. Nowhere in the bible does it accuse Satan of such a thing. In fact, while Yahweh kills millions in the bible, the only people in the bible that Satan kills are Job's family, with god's permission.
