lol, priceless! Kurt leaned over the table a little bit and looked me right in the eye. He said "Dave, you are one of the smartest guys I know, but I have to ask you this question." (Here it comes folks). "do you really an honestly believe, that the whole world is in a world of shit, because a talking snake, told a naked lady, to eat a piece of fruit"? This has gotta turn out good for you :) Beautifully written, & I think all Bethel survivors should either write their own book, or get together & write a comilation book, so the rank and file will actually find out WHY their kids arne't allowed to stay home & watch cartoons on Sat. am!
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My two week consulting trip to Bethel (the beginning of the end) Part 5
by seven006 ini knew i had a bright mind, i had been told that my whole life.
she hated going out in service but since i hated it myself we didn't go do the door to door work much.
i look back now and i can't believe how controlling and un-loving that religion had made me.
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Well, my little brother is heading back to the Dark Side...
by Michael3000 inthis is so frustrating - just wanted to vent a bit.. .
my younger brother, who has been "inactive" for about 8 years, has decided that everything wrong about his life is due to his not being "right with jehovah".
arrrrrrgh!!!
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gypsywildone
So sorry to hear this! How much did he know about the society's dirty little dealings before he made this decision? Was he always just inactive, but headtripped by them? What a loving organization, ain't it?
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Has there ever been any who came here to snoop/snipe/whatever...
by berylblue in...who ended up staying because her or his thinking had been changed by reading the posts here?
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gypsywildone
Welcome marriedtodamob! Hamas, we don't care where you started, it's where you end up that counts :) Everyone started somewhere. Welcome to life!
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Throwing the baby out with the bath water?
by Steve Lowry insometimes i think that because we jws were so deceived, tricked and flat out lied to by an organization that claims to be the sole representative of god, when we take the step to leave the group we (may) have a tendency to discard god as well, in the process.
i realize also there are those who by their nature (perhaps) and their point of view and ideology, that its just a natural personal kind of evolution that brings them to the point that god doesnt exist.
or, that if he does, it doesnt really play any kind of a roll in their lives.
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gypsywildone
I think it is a personal choice, & should not be pushed on other people, even by subtle means. I believe in the creator, & also do not believe he/she picked any certain religion or group to favor. Who's to say which book is "right"? I also don't believe any God would need his ego stroked & stroked by worshippers! Same mantra, different dogma. Same judgemental, if it was a good thing, God did it, & if it was a bad thing, satan was at the root nonsense! Personally, I get tired of people pushing their beliefs on everyone else just like jws. Shaming people into the politically correct opinion of an issue. While I'm very happy they found a crutch of some kind, the only crutch I've found is myself! And sometimes my family. If I have a problem or need, I don't have time to sit around praying, I need to set goals & figure out how to achieve them! If it brings them some kind of peace & happiness, cool. But why do some continue to act like a jw with different doctrines? Why not learn from the watchtower experience & grow! I just don't believe in tormenting myself with it all, I believe in enjoying life!
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Are You Surpised By What You Don't Believe In Anymore?
by minimus in.
jehovah's witnesses must "believe" whatever the watchtower bible & tract society publishes.
now that you aren't forced to accept beliefs that you might not have wholeheartedly endorsed, there must be many different things that you don't accept.....what comes to mind?
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I am more surprised at what I've seen xjws say and believe in on other boards and lists! Same mantra, different dogma. Same judgemental, if it was a good thing, God did it, & if it was a bad thing, satan was at the root nonsense! And often still pushing on on everyone else just like jws. Shaming people into the politically correct opinion of an issue. All you need is a few on one list & they push and push. While I'm very happy they found a crutch of some kind, the only crutch I've found is myself! And sometimes my family. If I have a problem or need, I don't have time to sit around praying, I need to set goals & figure out how to achieve them! If it brings them some kind of peace & happiness, cool. But why do some continue to act like a jw with different doctrines? Why not learn from the watchtower experience & grow!
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The Watchtower & the cigarette company
by expatbrit ini: some relevant quotes from watchtower publications
1: the position of the watchtower as regards smoking
*** jv 181 13 recognized by our conduct ***.
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gypsywildone
How can I approach members of my family still in with this? They will just say someone made it up, someone forged the document, blablabla. Any ideas? How can active jws even ask anyone about this? They will get in such trouble for even having access to this information :(
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Reparations for slavery: Just or unjust?
by MYOHNSEPH inthere's such a broad range of perception on this board, i'm curious to know what you folks think of this issue.
are contemporary decendents of black slaves in the united states justified in asking for monetary reparation for their ancestors' bondage?
if you answer is in the affirmative, some related questions are:.
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gypsywildone
Having just enrolled a kid in college, & now paying the hefty bill, I saw just how many scholarships there are out there for "people of color', An African-American student", etc. You can all rest assurred there is enough help, money, & admission quotas out there to help black people run this country, if they are willing to work hard.
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Reparations for slavery: Just or unjust?
by MYOHNSEPH inthere's such a broad range of perception on this board, i'm curious to know what you folks think of this issue.
are contemporary decendents of black slaves in the united states justified in asking for monetary reparation for their ancestors' bondage?
if you answer is in the affirmative, some related questions are:.
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gypsywildone
Since my ancestors were Irish, the Irish were often indentured servants, & no one liked them, I want reparations too! I don't care if Kennedy was electred president, I want reparations (stomps off ranting and raving)
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The AntiChrist has gone Elsewhere !!!
by Elsewhere inme all dressed up today at work as an antichrist.
(notice the bar-code on my forhead) .
1 john 2:18-19 .
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Awwwww, man, my mother always said I was the antichrist;
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What really irritates you?
by SpannerintheWorks inthe following is what really irritates me:.
i'm just about to tuck into a $100 meal when some ignorant b*****d lights up.
when nobody lets me out of the side road onto the freeway.
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gypsywildone
People who are next in the line at the store who do not either pre-write as much of their check as they can, or do not get their cash out. They stand there looking surprised when their total is displayed, they do not even have their wallets open.
Also, cashiers talking amongst themselves about tjheir hot date last night, ignoring customers & telling much more business than anyone really wants to know.
As you can see, I avoid stores at all costs, especially grocery stores :)