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  Is there a name for this kind of JW tactic?

  by ithinkisee in

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  is there an actual psychological term or whatever for this kind of jw tactic?.

  the tactic is where they head the opposing arguments off at the pass, like when a new person studies and they get to the point where they want to make a stand for "the truth".

  the person studying with them will tell them to "expect opposition from your family, this is satan trying to get at you because now you have found the truth and he's mad.".

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  To be told that the opposition by relatives to studying with the J.W's is an attack by satan is simply known as a "self-fulfilling prophecy".

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  Watchtower, Russell, Freemasons and the Illuminati

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  dear friends,

  here is some intriguing info on the real history of the watchtower organization and the hidden agenda and role that they play in relation to the new world order.

  i've pasted an excerpt here which i find especially interesting.

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  sf, With all due respect how can I make this statement any plainer?

  This is the sort of information that a good Watchtower troll might drop onto the board to discredit the "apostates" in the eyes of its waverers who come visiting

  The statement simply says that this is an example (sort of information) of what somebody (Watchtower troll) might do (drop onto the board) to discredit others ("apostates") in the eyes of doubting JW's (waverers). Thats all it says and thats all it means - I can't be more straightforward than that.

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  Watchtower, Russell, Freemasons and the Illuminati

  by truth_about_the_truth in

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  dear friends,

  here is some intriguing info on the real history of the watchtower organization and the hidden agenda and role that they play in relation to the new world order.

  i've pasted an excerpt here which i find especially interesting.

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  tatt, thanks for the selective quote from my post - let me select the other part:

  If this sort of stuff has to be presented here (and this is an open board) then IMHO it should be presented as fiction not "truth".

  Nobody is suggesting that you should not present your information - you have every right to do so and should be encouraged. But to suggest that what you are posting is proven fact is in nobody's interest and lessens the impact of the facts that other posters properly research and post using credible quoted sources.

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  Watchtower, Russell, Freemasons and the Illuminati

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends,

  here is some intriguing info on the real history of the watchtower organization and the hidden agenda and role that they play in relation to the new world order.

  i've pasted an excerpt here which i find especially interesting.

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  Thanks for the comment sf but I did not say that tatt was a troll. Also I stand by what I said. tatt has every right to post whatever he likes here but to make out that what he is posting is somehow proven fact, when it is not, is very wrong. You might feel comfortable with it (I can't speak for others) but I don't. I believe that tatt should post his beliefs as just that, beliefs.

  Anything that helps the "sheep" break free is to be welcomed wholeheartedly but this sort of thing has exactly the opposite effect and I know from personal experience it is seized on and used by our detractors.

  I am sure you will agree that I have the right to make this point in a civilised manner.

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  Watchtower, Russell, Freemasons and the Illuminati

  by truth_about_the_truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dear friends,

  here is some intriguing info on the real history of the watchtower organization and the hidden agenda and role that they play in relation to the new world order.

  i've pasted an excerpt here which i find especially interesting.

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  This is the sort of information that a good Watchtower troll might drop onto the board to discredit the "apostates" in the eyes of its waverers who come visiting .If this sort of stuff has to be presented here (and this is an open board) then IMHO it should be presented as fiction not "truth". I think we have all had enough of that sort of truth.

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  JW Media site - Russian ban proves severe to JW's and the WTS

  by truthseeker in

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  this is a very interesting news article that the wts has put on their website.

  notice how many times they use the word "slanderous" without mentioning specifics...

  jehovah?s witnesses?russia.

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  Sorry Will! I was comparing the individual Witness with the individual Islamic extremeist in relation to their own deaths. If you are considering all aspects and actions concerned with their belief systems then yes, you are correct in making that point.

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  JW Media site - Russian ban proves severe to JW's and the WTS

  by truthseeker in

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  this is a very interesting news article that the wts has put on their website.

  notice how many times they use the word "slanderous" without mentioning specifics...

  jehovah?s witnesses?russia.

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  Persons studying the Islamic religions and the Jehovah?s Witnesses religion will certainly find some similarities. For example, members of both religions are expected to die for "scriptural" interpretations decided upon by their leaders.

  Whether you die by blowing yourself up in a crowded shopping area or by refusing a blood transfusion ? you are just as dead (the difference being of course that the Witness does not take others with him). But the reality is that both of them were willing to give up their own lives for rules and regulations put together by other misguided and fallible humans, and try to get others to do so as well.

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  Where are JW's most vulnerable?

  by PopeOfEruke in

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  what's the more effective method to try to open the dormant organ most jw's have as a brain?

  is it tackling them on biblical issues and inconsistencies, for instance the "great crowd" dilemma from revelation, or the isaiah "new world" problem recently posted by leolaia?

  is it the blood issue, either based on a scriptural attack or else a humanistic "value-of-life" approach?

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  I don?t know if I am the only one but I find it very disturbing when active JW?s come to this board and say that they know every bit of dirt about the org and yet still believe that the GB are Gods representatives on earth. They claim to know all about the paedophile problems in the congregations, the U.N. fiasco, the 607 BCE con, Malawi and Mexico, all the flip flops on doctrine and the questionable financial dealings (property, shares etc) and yet they still believe in the Org and the GB 110 %.

  One of these JW?s who was going into hospital for surgery recently told me that they would not be having a blood transfusion even if it cost them their lives. I asked if the would change their mind and accept one if the GB said they had got "new light" and it was now O.K.

  They replied that "yes" they would accept it and then there was a long silence whilst they digested what they had just said. Further remarks from me were totally unnecessary.

  I said above that I am disturbed and I used that word because history shows that people with that level of commitment to a cult ( Branch Davidians etc) are easily talked into doing major damage to themselves or others. It sheds some light on the minds of the Moslem Fundamentalists and helps us to understand them though, doesn?t it?

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  Intelligence

  by onacruse in

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  this matter has been brought up for discussion here many times before, but for certain reasons i ask that you will patiently bear with me as i bring it up yet again.. what constitutes intelligence?

  is it (among many possibilities):.

  1) the mere accumulation of knowledge...factual information?.

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  He did what all good constipated mathmaticians do; he worked it out with a pencil!

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  Pivitol Date Stuff

  by IP_SEC in

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  i dont "get" the whole 1914 thing.

  the 'prophetic rule'?

  day fer a year?

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  I wonder why it takes six lines of text just to say "NO"?

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