Boy! Have they done a good job on you????????
Welcome and hope you recover soon.
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55everone is in confusion
by zolensky ini joined this site last week hoping to meet people that would steer me back to the organization.
instead the people i have talked to her are all trying to tell me too see the light and get out of the organization.
in my opinion, not that it matters, i really think that if a person had the truth deeply ingrained in them, they would never leave the truth.
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Ted Jaracz - the accused
by Nathan Natas inat the silentlambs march in brooklyn ny on september 27, 2002 a woman made a public statement which began, .
i'm pat garza, and i'm here today because i was raped by theodore jaracz when i was a little girl, in the city of los angeles, he was district servant.
there are two boys; their initials are "m.v.
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I must admit that this subject is one that I personally do not feel comfortable with. ("so stay out of it" I hear you say). Bu.........t.
I would like to ask if Pat is accusing Ted Jaracz of being her molester on a personal basis or if she is accusing him as the one being in control of the organisation that enabled it to happen to her at the hands of someone else.
I can't really understand this aspect and if someone could explain I would be really grateful.
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Internet banned?
by gilwarrior ini know that this subject has been talked about many times, but i am convinced that if the wts gets more fanatical, they will eventually ban witnesses from going on the internet.
yeah, i know it sounds goofy, but there are so many witnesses who are leaving as a result of what they have found on the net that the wts will have no choice, but to do it.
they will probably find some "new light" and probably sight some bible scripture.
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Xander,
With all due respect, I dont see how filters will help because it is not sites with negative information on JWs that are the problem. It is those everyday sites that contain factual information that contradicts what the Watchtower preaches.
It is the history sites that show beyond doubt that Jerusalem was not destroyed in 607 BCE and the sites that give information on share dealing etc. I confirmed the NGO status of the Watchtower from the UN web site and you cant filter these types of site or you will have nothing left.
I believe that they will control it by demonising it and I already see advanced signs of this happening in my area.
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Internet banned?
by gilwarrior ini know that this subject has been talked about many times, but i am convinced that if the wts gets more fanatical, they will eventually ban witnesses from going on the internet.
yeah, i know it sounds goofy, but there are so many witnesses who are leaving as a result of what they have found on the net that the wts will have no choice, but to do it.
they will probably find some "new light" and probably sight some bible scripture.
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I go along with those who believe that the WTS has a hidden agenda for demonising the internet and it has nothing to do with pornography of apostate web sites.
The vast majority of active JWs that I know would never believe anything that appeared on an apostate web site if they accidentally logged on to one. BUT....put the exact same information on a site giving factual information such as an educational history site or one publishing a membership list such as the UN site and their eyes pop.
This is the real problem for the Society, the easy access to real and factual information that they would much rather the R & F never got to hear about in a million years. Apostate lies will always be apostate lies but this is something else and much harder to combat.
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Piercing Your Genitals Can Save Many Lives
by Funchback in.
not only can it end diseases but it is also endorsed by god.... numbers 25:8: "then he went after the man of israel into the vaulted tent and pierced both of them through, the man of israel and the woman through her genital parts.
at that the scourge was halted from upon the sons of israel.
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I dont know if this counts but I once had a friend who was shot in the penis with a shotgun. The doctor sent him to see a piccolo player. The thinking was that if the piccolo player could not mend it at least he could show my friend how to hold it.
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GB disassociates itself!!
by lulu indear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
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Yardif,
You, and everyone else who comes to this discussion board, will fully realise that there is no way in which I or anyone else could obtain access to the private mail of a congregation Elder. You, and everyone else, will also know that nobody with a grain of intelligence would post information which gave names, places, times and dates on a forum like this. I must therefore admit that your ploy has been entirely successful.
This leaves me very disappointed because I originally invited you to obtain information from the Society and the UN yourself so that you could not claim that it was false. If the information provided to me through the local congregation was in fact false, you could have then demonstrated this to me and made me look as foolish as those who provided the information to me in the first place. Apostates would also have been stopped in their tracks if you could have proven that the information that they were bandying about was a pack of lies.
The thing that disappoints me most however is that you have the necessary skill, all of the resources, and the perfect opportunity to completely vindicate the reputation of the Organisation that you represent, if this were possible. The fact that you have chosen not to do so provides myself and others who read your contribution with the obvious conclusion that vindication of the name of the Organisation to which you claim to belong is not possible.
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edited by link for grammar.
Edited by - link on 9 December 2002 7:13:20
Edited by - link on 9 December 2002 7:42:47
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GB disassociates itself!!
by lulu indear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
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Sorry must'ave been someone else!
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GB disassociates itself!!
by lulu indear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
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Elswhere,
Didn't you make similar comments on the Trinity thread and the Evolution thread?
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GB disassociates itself!!
by lulu indear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
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Yardif,
I am truly sorry that you have found it necessary to resort to insulting words when all I did was thank you for your response to my question to you. This is most un-Christian of you.
Even if I dont agree I can quite understand how someone could be persuaded that by becoming associated with the UN, the Society was only following the example of Ehud. This is not where my problem lies with this matter.
My problem begins when a long serving and respected Elder in the local congregation seeks clarification from the Society and gets back a load of lies (Theocrat Strategy) which he totally believes and tells to others who have expressed concern. When a member of the congregation who is a librarian checks the information with UN library sources, this respected Elder becomes a laughing stock.
Please now show me the Scriptural principle that supports this action by the Society. I do know my Bible and there is no example in any scripture where Jehovahs anointed lie to His people in order to cover up their actions. If I have missed it please show it to me and I will apologise to you.
Even if it was originally Theocratic Warefare, this matter ceased to be Theocratic the moment that the Society decided to lie its way out instead of following the scriptures.
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GB disassociates itself!!
by lulu indear brothers:
as you have admitted, the watch tower bible & tract society did join the united nations as a non government organization in 1992 ending in 2001, and according to the following watch tower this means that by their own actions they disassociated them selves from jehovahs organization which means that we must treat them like disfellowshiped ones.
in other words they are no longer jehovahs witnesses or have any right to that name.
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Yardif,
Very many thanks for your concise reply to my previous post.
This is the clearest statement that I have ever seen from anyone that Theocratic Warfare Strategy and lying and deception are one and the same thing in the eyes of Jehovahs Witnesses. This answers a lot of questions for me. Thank you.
I believe that a religion that has to resort these practises can in no way be considered Christian.
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