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  WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

  by Gerard in

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  i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

  mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

  watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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  Many thanks Gerry.

  Yes it was difficult getting around that site so I have e-maild the I.R.S. in the U.S. asking them for advice on procedures. I will post again if and when I have something to report.

  Regards

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  WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

  by Gerard in

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  2. scandals

  i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

  mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

  watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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  sf in America and Gerard in Canada. You both appear to have an interest and understanding of business finance.

  I am convinced that it is possible to legally obtain full and complete details of the Watch Towers income and expenditure including investments and I do not believe that this would be difficult. The only reason that I am unable to do it myself is that I am not familiar with the way the Charity laws are structured in your countries and who is the central body with responsibility for controlling the Charitable Organisations there. In the U.K. its the Charity Commission.

  I am not aware of any country where the Tax Laws allow a Registered Charity to obtain the tax benefits of being registered as such without the requirement of completely open accounting. In the U.K. this means that the Charity Commissioners receive the detailed financial reports from every registered charity and will provide these (at a cost) to anyone who requests them.

  I am sure that a similar system must operate in the U.S.A. and Canada. Can you confirm?

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  WT holds shares on "Mutual Trust Sharehold...

  by Gerard in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just found another company on which the watchtower is a shareholder:.

  mutual fund trust , located in: 522 fifth avenue, new york, new york 10036. the wt is listed as a shareholder under the name of:.

  watchtower bible & tract society of pennsylvania.

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  I believe that the WT holds Charitable status in the U.S.A and is exempt from some taxes such as property tax etc. Please correct if Im wrong.

  If this is the case they will be compelled by law to disclose full details of their income and expenditure including the value of all assets, the amount of cash on deposit and the interest it draws and full details of the ownership of any shares that are held.

  As a registered Charity this information will have to be put into the public domain. Is there any contributor to the board who might be able to obtain this information. It would show exactly what their interest is in Mutual Fund Trust.

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  ANOTHER GO

  by link in

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  my first effort at humour on the board took off like a lead balloon so i'm having another go:.

  these are from a book called disorder in the court, and are things.

  people actually said in court, word for word, taken down, now.

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  My first effort at humour on the board took off like a lead balloon so I'm having ANOTHER GO:

  These are from a book called Disorder in the Court, and are things
  people actually said in court, word for word, taken down, now
  published by court reporters - who had the torment of staying
  calmwhile these exchanges were actually taking place. >

  Q: Are you sexually active? A: No, I just lie there.
  
  Q: What is your date of birth? A: July 15th. Q: What year? A:
  Every year.

  Q: What gear were you in at the moment of the impact? A: Gucci
  sweats and Reeboks.
  
  Q: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
  A: Yes. Q: And in what ways does it affect your memory? A: I forget.
  Q: You forget. Can you give us an example of something that you've
  forgotten?

  Q: How old is your son, the one living with you? A: Thirty-eight
  or thirty-five, I can't remember which. Q: How long has he lived
  with you? A: Forty-five years.

  Q: What was the first thing your husband said to you when he
  woke,up that morning? A: He said, "Where am I, Kathy?" Q: And why
  did that upset you? A: My name is Susan.

  Q: Do you know if your daughter has ever been involved in voodoo
  or the occult? A: We both do. Q: Voodoo? A: We do. Q: You do?
  A:Yes, voodoo.

  Q: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep,
  he doesn't know about it until the next morning?

  Q: The youngest son, the twenty-year-old, how old is he?

  Q: Were you present when your picture was taken?

  Q: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?

  A: Yes. Q: And what were you doing at that time?

  Q: She had three children, right? A: Yes. Q: How many were boys?
  A: None. Q: Were there any girls?

  Q: How was your first marriage terminated? A: By death. Q: And
  by whose death was it terminated?

  Q: Can you describe the individual? A: He was about medium height
  
  and had a beard. Q: Was this a male, or a female?

  Q: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition
  notice which I sent to your attorney? A: No, this is how I dress
  when I go to work.
  
  Q: Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
  A: All my autopsies are performed on dead people.
  
  Q: All your responses must be oral, OK? What school did you go
  to?
  A: Oral.

  Q: Do you recall the time that you examined the body? A: The
  autopsy started around 8:30 p.m. Q: And Mr. Dennington was dead
  at the time? A: No, he was sitting on the table wondering why I
  was doing an autopsy.

  Q: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?

  Q: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for
  a pulse? A: No. Q: Did you check for blood pressure? A: No. Q:
  Did you check for breathing? A: No. Q: So, then it is possible that
  the patient was alive when you began the autopsy? A: No. Q: How
  can you be so sure, Doctor? A: Because his brain was sitting
  on my desk in a jar. Q: But could the patient have still been alive,
  nevertheless? A: Yes, it is possible that he could have been
  alive and practicing law somewhere.

  Hope thats a better effort

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  Fantasy Land?

  by link in

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  i recently posted a thread about my wifes congregation being told during the c.o.s talk that they must increase their contribution to society funds.

  my wife then decided to explain to people about the donation arrangement for the magazines.. she has now been told by the p.o.

  to cease and desist talking about the donation arrangement as it may appear that they are soliciting contributions, even though under the charity laws in the u.k. this could not be classed as an offence.. the reasons?we are too close to the time of the end so there is not the need for money.. this is far different to the actions of both the bible students and the witnesses in similar situations in the past.

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  Mrs nightwarrior,

  Can't say too much without disclosing my location. Can we just say it is in the South-west.

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  Help with 1914!

  by izobcenec in

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  i am discussing about the year 1914 with my dub friend...he insists, that the year 607 is scriptural,.

  because 607+70 is 537, when israelis returned to their land.

  i presented all the evidence about 586/87.

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  The following was taken from the Societies official web site today:

  How long a time period would these last days prove to be? Jesus said regarding the era that would experience the "beginning of pangs of distress" from 1914 onward: "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur." (Matthew 24:8, 34-36)

  So Jesus spoke about 1914 did He? I cant find it in my bible so I better check the NWT.

  With the cleaver use of words and the crafty use of punctuation marks they can make the Bible say just about anything that they want it to. What hope has an even half honest person got in any discussion with them on this topic. (Or any other for that matter).

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  Fantasy Land?

  by link in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i recently posted a thread about my wifes congregation being told during the c.o.s talk that they must increase their contribution to society funds.

  my wife then decided to explain to people about the donation arrangement for the magazines.. she has now been told by the p.o.

  to cease and desist talking about the donation arrangement as it may appear that they are soliciting contributions, even though under the charity laws in the u.k. this could not be classed as an offence.. the reasons?we are too close to the time of the end so there is not the need for money.. this is far different to the actions of both the bible students and the witnesses in similar situations in the past.

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  I recently posted a thread about my wifes congregation being told during the C.O.s talk that they must increase their contribution to Society funds. My wife then decided to explain to people about the donation arrangement for the magazines.

  She has now been told by the P.O. to cease and desist talking about the donation arrangement as it may appear that they are soliciting contributions, even though under the Charity Laws in the U.K. this could not be classed as an offence.

  The reasons?

  1. We are too close to the time of the end so there is not the need for money.

  This is far different to the actions of both the Bible Students and the Witnesses in similar situations in the past. Their history shows that they do not believe in their own interpretation of prophesy.

  In 1914 the Bible Students believed that they would be swept up to heaven in October of that year. However this did not prevent them from expanding their Business Empire of that time even though it was quite small then. The U.K. Charity Commission web site states regarding the International Bible Students Association:

  MEMORANDUM AND ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION. DATE OF INCORPORATION: 30TH JUNE 1914

  So just four months before being swept up to heaven they were still wheeling and dealing. (see the latest income figures for the International Bible Students Association!)

  Very recently the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of New York made application to alter/build a new complex. In this application (or associated appeal) they claimed that this development was part of a ten year expansion project.

  So how close do the actually believe we are?

  2. As foretold in the Bible the "truth" and Jehovahs people are under tremendous persecution in many lands thus we do not want to antagonise our position by asking for donations.

  Surprising as it may seem, my wife does not distribute magazines in many lands so I asked which lands were being referred to. I was told that this was in the Middle East, former Communist Countries, China and some European countries.

  It transpires that the Witnesses have not been singled out for special persecution in any of these areas but for one obvious reason or another Christianity in general or any variations of local beliefs are frowned upon. This affects the door to door work of Mormons just as much as Witnesses.

  So what exactly was foretold?

  3. We can now see that our original belief about the King of the North has completed a full circle and has returned to the area of Babylon. This is an absolute sign that we are now VERY close to the end.

  What this has to do with donations I cannot see. However I am open to correction on my next point: I cannot find any record in any of the writings of CT Russell or the Bible Students or the Jehovahs Witnesses that give Babylon /Persia/ Iran as the King of the North.

  So what has gone a full circle?

  Is it just me or do you also think that these people are living in Fantasy Land?

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  HYPNOTISM AT THE KH!

  by TR in

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  can hypnotism be accomplished on an unsuspecting person without the flashy methods used by those we've seen on tv?

  has anyone here been hypnotised?

  i've tried self-hypnosis, but i can't seem to find a good quiet time except for late evening, then i'm too tired and fall asleep.

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  Yes! A person can go into a hypnotic trance without their knowing it. Everyone on this board does so at least several times a day and it is possible to induce a trance in an unsuspecting person. However, once they are in a trance like state there is nothing that you can say or do to make them do something that they do not wish to do.

  The bottom line is that you could not have fun with the speaker during the Public Talk. Sorry.

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  Are ALL criticisms of the Society justified?

  by logansrun in

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  let me start by saying that i deplore much of the teachings of the watchtower and am convinced that it is not "the truth.

  " either through ignorance, error or deliberate action they have caused great heartache for thousands and unknown heartache for millions.

  i have thoroughly disconnected myself from their teachings and would rightly speak out against what i know to be harmful in that organization.

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  logansrun,

  Congratulations on what is, in general, a well thought out and reasoned post. I would however like to point out one error.

  You have managed to do what the Society do so well and attach a fact to a fallacy before calling them both facts. You said :

  The general idea floated around that the JW organization is collecting millions from the public and it's members and is engaged in the most duplicitous of financial practices. All of this is utter hogwash.

  You have made two statements (a) "the organisation are collecting millions from the public and its members" and (b) "is engaged in the most duplicitous of financial practices"

  Having linked these two statements together you then proceed to say:"All of this is utter hogwash".

  Statement (a) is not utter hogwash and the proof of this is given on very recent posts to this board.

  I hope you will agree that this example is not in keeping with the general idea given in your opening post on this thread regarding reasonableness.

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  The latest from Baghdad

  by link in

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  this just in from baghdad.... .

  latest report from hans blix and the unmovic team states that further to.

  investigations of abu's general ironmongery store in baghdad, a. considerable supply of warfarin and mousetraps has been uncovered.. .

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  Sorry Shakita. If it bothers you I will take it down.

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