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armaggedon

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i'm sure that the topic of armageddon has risen it's ugly head before but can anyone out there tell me when the armaggedon will happen (try to be precise please otherwise to me as a non-believer it will look like you're guessing) and has anyone got any concrete evidence of why and how it will happen?

oh and can you give evidence about when it will happen?

thank you.. go on convince me!!

vat152

so as i suspected it's a load of old rubbish then which has been intilled into peoples mind by the wt mob to put the fear of god into people, which i do believe is what they do best, correct?

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armaggedon

by vat152 in

i'm sure that the topic of armageddon has risen it's ugly head before but can anyone out there tell me when the armaggedon will happen (try to be precise please otherwise to me as a non-believer it will look like you're guessing) and has anyone got any concrete evidence of why and how it will happen?

oh and can you give evidence about when it will happen?

thank you.. go on convince me!!

vat152

hi

i'm sure that the topic of armageddon has risen it's ugly head before but can anyone out there tell me when the armaggedon WILL happen (try to be precise please otherwise to me as a non-believer it will look like you're guessing) and has anyone got any concrete evidence of why and how it will happen? oh and can you give evidence about when it will happen? thank you.

go on convince me!!!

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

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hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

thank you for your opinion hotchocolate and thank you for your advice i think you are dead right and as far as i am concerned it IS true love, thanks again.

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

thanks for that, it does make very interesting reading and does help, thanks again

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

the abuse side of things is very painful for her to cope with and professional help has been talked about before and she half agreed that this could be what is needed although she feels scared to re-live her trauma all over again which understandable, but, i have said no pain no gain.

i have aslo read a list of 101 don't for jw's and on this list is jw's should not recieve counsiling, can anyone tell me if this is fact or fiction please and could this be the reason that she has not attempted to get counsiling of any sort?

we had a very heated argument today about the whole issue and i tackled the possibility of her not being allowed back into the kingdom hall again because firstly she commited adultry which ended in divorce and secondly she unrrepentedly commited the act fornication with a non jw and thirdly she is now involved with me another non believer, i said that the watchtower organisation would take a very dim view of this and that it may be likely that she will never be allowed back into the congregation, when i asked for her opinion on this she said that she had never thought of it like that and that it scared her to think that that might happen because that would mean the end of life for her, she was reffering to the so called armageddon, i then asked her outright, if she had a choice between me and the jw religion which would you choose? her answer was that it was an unfair question, speaks for itself don't you think?

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

hi jwfacts

i do strongly believe that i can be patient about the sexual side of our relationship provided that it IS a sexual problem and not a problem that is related to any form of religion, i know that a lot of jw's hide the very fact that they are indeed a jw which makes me doubt that religion, my concern is that i would be used as some sort of justification by her to show her god that she was being a good jw by repenting until we were married, if that makes any sense.

if it is purely a sexual problem i would go through life with her through thick and thin because i do love her something rotten.

cheers

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

thank you once again for your replies, i'm affraid this whole thing is becoming some what mind blowing, the more i look into it the more confused i get. firstly i want to say that i don't wish to attack anyone or any religion for that matter i have always maintained that what people do is their business until it affects me personally, i am just trying to understand what the jw's are all about and wether this is/could be the right thing for me and that doesn't mean i intend to follow the jw faith because i never wil because from what i have learn't upto now i am not impressed.

I am not offended by the idea that she might be marrying me to be acccepted back into the hall, it had crossed my mind already and maybe because of the way i feel about her there is a little denial going on one or both our parts, i don't know, what did cross my mind and i still wonder is could she be holding back on sexual/intamacy side of things until we are married because the it would be illigitamate.

strange thing has happened since my last post which has made me wonder even more about our relationship and that is when we first got together i didn't know she was a jw and she asked me if there was any religion i didn't like and straight away like a bull in a china shop i said jehovah's witness but that was probably because i said i didn't understand it, then it became obvious that she was one and i said that i would have ago at understanding it, i think that gave her hope, now if you read my earlier post you will see that i attacked jw's and since then she seems to have backed off a little but still she says that she loves me dearly.

my next move is to put a dilema in her hands by stating that this one and only god in my veiw is there to guide, help and LOVE all mankind so therefore why do jw's want christians, catholics, and anyone else for that matter to be known as a follower of satan and believe they will perish in the so called armagedon and wont support various charities and even let there own kin die? watch this space!!

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

thank you all for your response and advise, i am in no doubt whatsoever that she loves me and after a discussion with her yesterday i do believe that i am a little more at ease in so far as she tells me that she doesn't seem to believe in the wt so much but wants to serve god (the jw way). i actually suggested that the watchtower were nothing but a bunch of brain washers, i didn't get a response but i think if she were to be a follower of the watchtower i am convinced that she would have deffended it feircely. i have also said that i think that jw's are a nothing more than a binch of hippercrits who only believe that there way is the right way and can see no wrong in anything they do, again i think if she were a full blown jw i think that an argument would have ensued. basically what i was doing here is testing the water to see how she would react.

on another note someone mentioned being molested as a child, she was raped as a teeneger and kept he child, her last relationship before me involved beatings and sexual abuse.

my concern was mainly the fact that she will not even put her arms around me unless i am covered up, i have to cuddle her in bed whilst she has her back to me and if my leg touches hers she moves out of the way, this is what i find difficult to deal with especially as she tells me that she is head over heals in love with me, i just wondered if it was some sort of way of her repenting her sins so as to be re-instated back to jw and the kingdom hall.

please excuse any speling mistakes.

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

i doubt very much that she will visit this site as she WILL NOT here any thing bad about jw's full stop, i know that she loves me dearly but i am convinced tht she is more in love with the jw faith, she was brought up as a jw and she has 2 sons that also follow he faith, she visits her sons regularly which means she come in contact with her ex-husband and i am worried that he is influencing her towards the faith although she denies it

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disfellowshiped jw's relationship

by vat152 in

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.. i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.. i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities.

she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.. the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings.

i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?.

vat152

hi all i'm new to this so be patient with me please.

i'm not a jw and never will be but my partner is although she was disfelllowshiped some years ago for adultry with someone other than me which jed to a divorce from her husband (who is still a jw), this happpened about 8 years ago, she then went into a relationship which turned violent and abusive, this ended a couple of years ago.

i met her just over 12 months ago and fell head over heals in love with her and i have proposed to her and we are due to be married in july this year, we have a good relationship except for one thing, the bedroom activities. she tells me that it makes her feel dirty and cheap and refuses to put her arms around me unless i am covered up with clothes or the quilt, any type of skin contact is a no no, we do occassionaly make love but she hates it.

the thing i want to clear up is this, she is devout about the religion and the wt although she doesn't attend any meetings. i am led to believe that if a disfellowshiped jw shows repent they are allowed back into the kingdom hall, i know that she would like to be allowed back into the religion, do you think that she is trying to show repent by not making any skin contact with me whilst we are out of wedlock?

i should point out that we do live together and share the same bed, this is a big concern of mine and i am in need of help/guidence.

thanks.