"cult classic": What was very unkind and unloving? That they dismissed someone who claimed to be gay at a place where there is virutally 90% men? I guess Paul is unloving for what he said about gay men. Why would a practicing gay man WANT to be associated with the WT anyway??? That is like a Jew wanting to join the Nazi Party.
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What are the people at Bethel like? What's the GB like?
by doubtful ini can't even count the number of times i've heard people say how incredibly humble and down-to-earth and caring the exectuives at bethel are.
i've had one first person encounter with a gb member..i forget his name although i would be able to identify him in a picture.
he did seem genuinely nice.
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Watchtower Attorney and new contract for deceased?
by Dogpatch ini'm passing on a question and wanted input on it please:.
recently an xjws mother passed away, when it came to settling the estate.
a watchtower attorney produced a form that she had filled out and.
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I am a law student getting my JD.
This sort of contract could be easily fought in probate if it says anything deemed a fallacy.. I also doubt the WT would want this sort of publicity on the subject matter, so would probably not fight too hard on a motion to set aside the agreement.
To have a contract or agreement that requires one party to fulfill their part of the agreement outside a reasonable scope of enforcement - due to statue of limitation issues etc - is more than problematic. Judges do not go for these sorts of agreements in probate hearings (or any hearing). You might as well name the Holy Spirit as a third party beneficiary. Those sorts of documents do not hold weight when challenged.
My grandmother just gave $150k to the WT - I was not happy.
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Russia - Moscow Rulling
by johnnyc indoes anyone know where i can find the legal documents for the recent ruling the moscow city court had against jehovah's witnesses (and then upheld by the supreme court)?
if anyone knows where one could get that material, i would sure appreciate it.. thanks,.
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Does anyone know where I can find the legal documents for the recent ruling the Moscow City Court had against Jehovah's Witnesses (and then upheld by the Supreme Court)? If anyone knows where one could get that material, I would sure appreciate it.
Thanks,
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I Finally Understand the Kingdom Hall Scam
by jamiebowers inhttp://www.codyenterprise.com/articles/2009/02/19/news/doc4987722b2d8b5588859832.txt.
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It would be a fine theory to say that the WT is seeking to keep all the ownership to the kingdom halls to reap the financial rewards.....except....who benefits? Unless you can prove that specific individuals in the WT are benefiting financially in some way from this, the reality is that the stronger financial strength of the WT only means that organization becomes worth more. Since we all happen to know from Mr. Franz's experience that even governing body members have virtually no money - nor leave with any substaintual money, the WT cannot be compared to a typical corporation that distributes profits to individuals or members. Since they are also required to hold an annual meeting and report their finances yearly, there are obviously no improper actions by the WT when it comes to finances. They use and leverage funds and properties to put back into the construction of other Kingdom Halls and buildings around the world. It is a well known fact there are no bloated salaries going to anyone particular, and even persons who dedicate their entire life in service to the WT end up leaving with very little in compensation campared to other religions or corporations.
As I have stated many times before, keep the criticism real – the way the WT handles their finances should be a model for all other religions – and most who know the details of this cannot state otherwise. If people take the time to investigate, the WT happens to be an open book on all this - even on the congregation level.
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Six Screens comments on controversial conference call
by kool aid man06 inwithout question, the ravyn guiliani interview on the six screens conference call created lots of controversy.
ravyn's experience with sra (satanic ritual abuse) was instantly rejected by so many.
it was as though people pre-judicated her story before she had a chance to tell it.
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This is just the sort of thing I was referring to in my other posts - going way over the edge leads to discredit of a cause. As some have pointed out, there are way too many holes in this girls statements - not to mention the contradictory elements. For instance, why would a demon want to help keep clean the congregation by exposing a man who smoked leading to him being disfellowshipped???
What probably happened is that this girl had a mental problem as a child where she claimed to get inspiration from demons, and the elders and others at bethel were trying to help her - and in the process asked what sort of things she thought the demon was saying. She then has twisted it in her mind that they were asking her what the demon was saying so they could learn. Really they were there asking so they could see how crazy she was and if something could be done. They may have even thought that she perhaps was possessed, and they tried performing some sort of exorcism (which is a process not talked a lot about at the WT) using Holy Spirit - which just flamed her fantasies about rituals occurring even further.
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let's hope Jehovah's Witnesses will see this movie and get them thinking
by kool aid man06 inanew movie coming out on dec. 12. this movie subject deals with child molestation in the catholic church and how they tried to cover it up.
let's hope the witnesses will go to see it and get them thinking.
it's rated p.g.
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Is the 23,000 you mention verified somehow or is that an estimate..? Just curious.
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let's hope Jehovah's Witnesses will see this movie and get them thinking
by kool aid man06 inanew movie coming out on dec. 12. this movie subject deals with child molestation in the catholic church and how they tried to cover it up.
let's hope the witnesses will go to see it and get them thinking.
it's rated p.g.
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cameo-d: To answer you question, morality and conscience issues obviously need to be governed by someone other than religious leaders who act in this manner - whether they are guilty of child abuse (molestation) or are the ones who help conceal these things. I am not sure what point you are making, since we would not have a problem if morality and conscience ruled in the religious world. I am saying that the government needs more oversight, and should have known this was a problem - after all, do you think it has only been in the last 30 years Priests and religious leaders have been doing this to Children??? This problem dates back over a thousand years or more. The environment of absolute silence and non-accountability to the state has created a cesspool for this sort of activity - as is coming out now. Johnny
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let's hope Jehovah's Witnesses will see this movie and get them thinking
by kool aid man06 inanew movie coming out on dec. 12. this movie subject deals with child molestation in the catholic church and how they tried to cover it up.
let's hope the witnesses will go to see it and get them thinking.
it's rated p.g.
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Everyone is so quick to point the finger at religions (Catholic or otherwise) for their role in not reporting such abuse, but the reality is the government should have had a law requiring proper reporting to begin with. For the past 2000 years, religious leaders have had a certain "code of silence" pertaining to every sort of confession or issue by its members. The governments knew this, and they should have made it illegal for them not to disclose anything relating to that sort of abuse. I highly condemn any action of concealment by Catholic, JW, or any organization - I am just saying I think everyone lets the governments off the hook a bit too much for their role in not requiring more oversight. Johnny
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Russell Not a Mason!
by johnnyc inthis is some research i did showing that russell, was not, in fact a freemason (aka mason).
it is from the website: .
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html .
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cognizant dissident: I don't disagree with some of what you say, although, there are also many who change their lives for the better when they join the WT - a great many. Concerning the blood issue - whereas there are many who have died in their refusal of blood, a great deal of those people would have perhaps died of their ailment anyways, and very infrequently does anything like that occur to young ones who dont make their own decision on the matter (yes, there is anyways the exception to the rule) Before you go try to save one JW child from this problem, start first with the millions who die each year from starvation. Bottom line is that this world sucks, and is unloving and uncaring. So many problems abound, children and people die all the time from this, that, and the other. Most who die from not taking blood decide that on their own - regardless of the pressure - it comes down to a personal decision. If people would prefer to die than to be DF'd, then that tells you something about their dedication to the WT. Again, not saying it is right, but they are really not "hurting" people, and it could be said they do good in their ministry (dont need a million quasi-examples of relational harm upon humanity). Also, since we all know that the WT teaches its members to be good citizens, they make great neighbors too.
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Russell Not a Mason!
by johnnyc inthis is some research i did showing that russell, was not, in fact a freemason (aka mason).
it is from the website: .
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html .
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Mary - the more I consider my heart, perhaps I may see that my disfellowshiping wasn't without fault. The simple fact that I ran here to talk about things could be an indication as to my true disposition towards the WT. Maybe I deserved to be disfellowshiped...? I guess I am now saying that I did.
In a weird way, Crisis of Conscience, this web site, and others, showed me that most "apostates" (with certain exception) carry a radical viewpoint with the need to pass that information along. They do this by stating the WT has a radical viewpoint on theology and are focused on spreading that information along to the masses. My mother would rather live her life a JW (clean and moral) than be agnostic or an atheist. Since I have found only a very small number of ex-jw's end up going to another church (by percentage), why would I want to take away from her joy in life that comes from her belief that she knows God and follows him correctly. JW's, for the most part, are best were they are in life. If you claim they are ignorant - well, then perhaps that is bliss. No one can convince me that the WT does more harm that good - and no one can convince me the WT is anything but sincere in their efforts. Not to say they are perfect, or that they have 100% truth. I just do not believe they have any malice....