Posts by reniaa

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Why do we get stumbled out of JW's because of imperfect people?

by reniaa in

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i see this a lot on this forum, loads of people saying they left jw's because of "hypocritical ....... ( put elder, pioneer, couple, sister, brother, governing body) here.. but?.

why would you expect any man-run organisation if you believe the bible, to have to be perfect and not be full of imperfect people that will come across as hypocritical?.

the bible examples from israelites onwards name anyone :- moses, king david, pharasees, paul the one thing the bible doesn't do is white-wash them it shows that however much we follow the laws we are always fighting our own imperfection usually failing every time and needing to be corrected sometimes punished (moses had to give-up chance of seeing the foretold land), so why do we hold this against jw's as a reasons not to be a jw's anymore?.

reniaa

I see this a lot on this forum, loads of people saying they left JW's because of "hypocritical ....... ( put elder, pioneer, couple, sister, brother, governing body) here.

But?

Why would you expect any man-run organisation if you believe the bible, to have to be perfect and not be full of imperfect people that will come across as hypocritical?

The bible examples from israelites onwards name anyone :- Moses, King david, pharasees, Paul the one thing the bible doesn't do is white-wash them it shows that however much we follow the laws we are always fighting our own imperfection usually failing every time and needing to be corrected sometimes punished (moses had to give-up chance of seeing the foretold land), so why do we hold this against JW's as a reasons not to be a JW's anymore?

This is one of the main reasons I find flawed for people to leave JW's on this forum especially if you have read the bible extensively.

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Who really OWNS each Kingdom Hall?

by gaiagirl in

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are the kh's owned by the local congregation, the trustees of the local congregation, wtbts, etc?

reniaa

I'm assuming the WTS and catholic church have to buy the property in the first place anyway because new congs wouldn's have the money to outlay that amount, so wouldn't it be morally wrong if a cong all left and thought "lets keep this land and split the monies between us"?

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coming announcement!

by buffalosrfree in

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the much looked for (or so it seems) announcement coming to the finale of a watchtower study near you, may just be the thing about the book study and if so due to the time of year it is (at least in the northern hemisphere) it would make a fine opportunity for one and all in the congregation to meet say 6-6:30pm to participate in the field circus.

that way more people would be a home and therefore there would be more people to (irritate) talk to.

who knows, whatever it is, if it is in fact a change, it won't be for the betterment of the rank and file publisher.

reniaa

lol People seem more excited on this site about the coming announcement than the Jw's are, in fact practically peeing your pants over it eeeek

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Did you ever love Jehovah more than anything else?

by nbernat in

you know that the wts teaches you're supposed to love jehovah above all else including your kids/spouses/parents.

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.did any of you get to that point?

reniaa

just gone through all the replies and there are about 25 No's to 5 Yes's hmmm interesting.....

Does being a successful jehovah's witness mean youi have to be able to have a relationship with jehovah the replies on this thread would seem to support this conclusion.

my next question would be... how many were able to pray to Jehovah while being JW's?

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What if they are about to "close the ark door"?

by Mickey mouse in

we know the book study is about to be cut.

i am reading talk here of the preaching work being declared "over" and possible changes in disfellowshipping policy.. we know the wbts is running low on funds.

they don't make money from the literature and the new recruits are going straight back out of the revolving door.

reniaa

lol was gonna reply aren't JW's waiting for scriptural signs before they shut the "ark door" as in "signs in the heavens" and the saying of peace in a perculiar way, and the world "turning on religion and getting rid of it" sign?

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Did you ever love Jehovah more than anything else?

by nbernat in

you know that the wts teaches you're supposed to love jehovah above all else including your kids/spouses/parents.

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.did any of you get to that point?

reniaa

So for us to love God does he have to come down here and tap us on the shoulder?

I say "God" because i don't know any religion were the members get to meet their god personally unless they are completely crackers these days.

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Need your support now more than ever

by tooktheredpill in

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hello guys!.

as you know, my wife woke up about a month and a half ago.

recently, by "mistake", we talked with her mother, (a hard-core believer) some details that we shouldn't at this moment.

reniaa

From the sound of things you were already on your way out, maybe thats why you spoke to your Mil innitially subconsciously bringing things to a head, see this as an opportunity to face what you want head-on.

DA is a good option if you want to avoid JC although you can just refuse to go to JC anyway, the only reason to put yourselfs through a JC is if part of you want to stay being in the JW's despite your doubts etc.

I also agree with the poster who says your Mil motivation maybe from love in different way to your elder father trying to protect you in the only way she knew how, try not to hold it to much against her if you both already having major doubts, bringing things out at this time maybe is what your subconsciouses want.

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the TRUTH about DISFELLOWSHIPPING and SHUNNING from JESUS view

by Terry in

loving and forgiving are a huge component of jesus' message to his disciples.. in answer to the question as to how many times forgiveness should be offered to an offender, jesus gave the reply, "seventy (times) seven.

" (variously interpreted as either 77 times or a multiple of 70 times 7).. an example is given of a man who owed a considerable sum of money whose debt was forgiven.

this man failed to forgive a much smaller debt owed to him.

reniaa

Lol i would question if i'm actually learning the truth on this site, which is basically the thing it is, which is an anti-witness site providing info that would stumble anyone, a lot of this information is correct though like the ending of home bookstudy one which personally has had me stumbling at the JW's more than anything else i've so far read on this site.

But some is out of date watchtowers from mega years ago when we were a lot different from now as country and world-wide, even 20 years ago people were encouraged to marry if they had sex and got caught pregnant, nowadays my sister tought me a new expression for single women in my local council estate who have multiple kids to multiple partners they are called " four by four 4x4" as in the car, so far has the world changed in that respect. Now marriage is a thing going out of practise as the norm, Stuff from years ago must be taken in context with the times that people lived in and the last 20/40 years have see a massive change word-wide in thinking and practises, we are richer and wealthier now than we have ever been in some countries with plenty of recreatonal options lol 40 years ago when TV's were black and white and for the rich only, going on the ministry was a fun social outing :), but now it has to compete with internet and gaming, Sky etc lol

Then some information on here is opinion stated as fact

Also personal experiences on here however truthful are stated from the first person perspective and so subjective at best. We are not going to say anything negative about our own actions in a situation we are telling people about, that is just human nature!

Then some info as in this case of disfellowshipping that has biblical basis as in paul words which does need exploring biblically to see if the witnesses are applying it abitarily wrongly in many cases.

Matthew 18:15-17, Romans 16:17, 1 Corinthians 5, and 2 John 7-11.

these scriptures have directly led to the concept of disfellowshipping but where the witnesses right to have read them that way or overly strict in applying them?

and if we don't disfellowship how do we apply these scriptures in our everyday life?

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Did you ever love Jehovah more than anything else?

by nbernat in

you know that the wts teaches you're supposed to love jehovah above all else including your kids/spouses/parents.

.

.did any of you get to that point?

reniaa

I still love Jehovah and still find it hard to accept other religions who would have us give that love to jesus instead although I love him too but I love jehovah more.

I find being a Jw or not (as I am atm) doesn't effect my love of jehovah but still cannot find a religion other than witnesses who allow for any sort of relationship with him as Jehovah.

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the TRUTH about DISFELLOWSHIPPING and SHUNNING from JESUS view

by Terry in

loving and forgiving are a huge component of jesus' message to his disciples.. in answer to the question as to how many times forgiveness should be offered to an offender, jesus gave the reply, "seventy (times) seven.

" (variously interpreted as either 77 times or a multiple of 70 times 7).. an example is given of a man who owed a considerable sum of money whose debt was forgiven.

this man failed to forgive a much smaller debt owed to him.

reniaa

We talk about jesus forgiving sins but look at him talking to the woman about to be stoned for adultery, did he just say you are forgiven and let her then carry on? no he told her to stop sinning.

<< John 8:11 >>
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
King James Bible
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

So the question is what would jesus feel towards those that want to sin continuously? Him turning over the money tables in the the temple comes to mind?

For me disfellowshiping is a big issue that needs more exploration than just saying we should forgive everything especially as you get weird contradictions with it, people condeming JW's for disfellowshiping but then condemning them for reinstating someone after they've done their time at the back at the congregation, I guess my real question is how would we do it differently/better.

Some religions just say do a prayer or a few hail mary's and your forgiven, so the poor priest mostly sits in a confessional while people put forth their weekly sins for forgiveness, no real effort to actually stop sinning by their religions definition.

Other christian religions have just given up and no longer practise any kind of restrictions on their members just saying prayer to God and love conquers all etc.

Others like Jw's are still extremely strict in following the bible teachings and condemning sinning although they don't use the word disfellowshipping, hmmm i don't know much on fundemental christian religions in america, how do they deal with sinners etc?