Posts by reniaa

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I Do Not Understand Why JWs Leave & Become Catholics!

by minimus in

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out of all religions, catholicism, to me, is wrong and clearly could never be the truth.

reniaa

I would ask one question of ex-jws turned catholic and that is.....

Do you now think we will all be eternally tortured in a fiery Hell?

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Found this today - My Book of Bible Stories

by kurtbethel in

i was looking in a thrift store and found this gem from 1978. .

quick!

hide it from your children!.

reniaa

Hi mrsJones sorry I took so long to reply, complicated busy life,

Well you are right there are lots of bible story books available from internet or from christian stores, in my defence though they are hard to find in regular shops I found one book going through my local town.

A few on this thread are condemning it because of the violence gore etc but I would ask them, would you allow your child to see/read harry potter books or movies and or golden compass books or movies and or narnia books or movies? (there are scenes of torture in golden compass that actually shocked me)

These all have violence and death as strong themes and are very popular with children of all ages?

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Taking apart the Memorial

by jgnat in

a new poster inspired me to take a look at the memorial talk and the way that the witnesses honor (dishonor) jesus' memory.

i had mentioned that the form is, from this christian's point of view, an abomination.

the participant is encouraged to look and not partake.

reniaa

Abomination because they set down (spiritually) starving people at the dining table to look but not share. The whole experience of sharing bread with another is deeply spiritual and intimate.
Passing a plate around (look-but-not-touch) is sterile and impersonal.
In my opinion, the Witnesses deliberately exclude six million people from communion. I refer to definitions one and three, below.
Main Entry:
com·mu·nion
Pronunciation:
\k?- ' myü-ny?n\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Latin communion-, communio mutual participation, from communis
Date:
14th century 1 : an act or instance of sharing 2 a capitalized : a Christian sacrament in which consecrated bread and wine are consumed as memorials of Christ's death or as symbols for the realization of a spiritual union between Christ and communicant or as the body and blood of Christ b : the act of receiving Communion c capitalized : the part of a Communion service in which the sacrament is received 3 : intimate fellowship or rapport : communication 4 : a body of Christians having a common faith and discipline <the Anglican communion>

and sorry i should have specified what i was replying to lol what you say above is correct but how much has our view of communion and the importance of the emblems been shaped by traditions?

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Taking apart the Memorial

by jgnat in

a new poster inspired me to take a look at the memorial talk and the way that the witnesses honor (dishonor) jesus' memory.

i had mentioned that the form is, from this christian's point of view, an abomination.

the participant is encouraged to look and not partake.

reniaa

Sorry jgnat I didn't mean for it to come across as talking about you :S

I just was reflecting on the eucharist and how it is observed by various faiths and i do agree with you on how it was established before roman catholism but they had sole control over christian practises for a long time and how events and celebrations are practised,

The history of the Catholic Church is virtually inseparable from the history of Western civilization. The Church has affected and shaped the lives and beliefs of Christians and non-Christians alike for almost 2,000 years. [2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Church

so if we are breaking down the memorial they are the next logical step

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Taking apart the Memorial

by jgnat in

a new poster inspired me to take a look at the memorial talk and the way that the witnesses honor (dishonor) jesus' memory.

i had mentioned that the form is, from this christian's point of view, an abomination.

the participant is encouraged to look and not partake.

reniaa

basically because catholics have had the biggest influence in how christien events are observed, they had the stage for thousands of years so I started with them,

When you then go down the list of different Christian faiths practising the memorial/eucharist you see how they either follow catholic practise in all or partly, or reject it.

I don't know what christian faith jgnat is, but was intrigued by her use of the word "Abomination" in regards to how JW's only allow for the annointed to partake. Although jehovah's witnesses do view it as a deeply meaningful observation they don't in anyway venerate the memorial/eucharist emblems themselves, the emphasis is just on the remembrance and recognition of the annointed.

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Taking apart the Memorial

by jgnat in

a new poster inspired me to take a look at the memorial talk and the way that the witnesses honor (dishonor) jesus' memory.

i had mentioned that the form is, from this christian's point of view, an abomination.

the participant is encouraged to look and not partake.

reniaa

I was thinking over this topic over the last few days jgnat and I just kept focusing on how jesus set up the memorial it was very informal, he says do this in remembrance of me but he say it in a loving way to friends.

You used the word "abomination" in applying it to how Jws recognise the ceremony but only allow for the annointed to partake, Is this because you have been brought up as a christian to see the eucharist as something extremely sacred?

certainly roman catholics view it as sacred and one of the 7 sacrements.

[edit] Roman Catholic Church
Main article: Eucharist (Catholic Church)
Pope Benedict XVI celebrates the Eucharist at the canonization of Frei Galvão in São Paulo , Brazil on 11 May 2007
In the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church, the Eucharist is one of the seven sacraments. The institution of the Eucharist is one of the Luminous Mysteries of the Rosary. The Eucharist not only commemorates the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ, but also makes it truly present. The priest and victim of the sacrifice are one and the same (Christ). The only difference is how the Eucharist is offered: in an unbloody manner. [20]
The only minister of the Eucharist, that is, one authorized to celebrate the rite and consecrate the Eucharist, is a validly ordained priest (either bishop or presbyter) acting in the person of Christ (in persona Christi). In other words the priest celebrant represents Christ, who is the Head of the Church, and acts before God the Father in the name of the Church. The matter used must be wheaten bread and grape wine; this is essential for validity. [21]
At a celebration of the Eucharist at Lourdes, the chalice is shown to the people immediately after the consecration of the wine.
According to the Roman Catholic Church, when the bread and wine are consecrated in the Eucharist, they cease to be bread and wine, and become instead the body and blood of Christ: although the empirical appearances are not changed, the reality is changed by the power of the Holy Spirit who has been called down upon the bread and wine. The consecration of the bread (known as the host) and wine represents the separation of Jesus' body from his blood at Calvary. However, since he has risen, the Church teaches that his body and blood can no longer be truly separated. Where one is, the other must be. Therefore, although the priest (or minister) says "The body of Christ" when administering the host, and "The blood of Christ" when presenting the chalice, the communicant who receives either one receives Christ, whole and entire. [22]
The mysterious [23] change of the reality of the bread and wine began to be called "transubstantiation" in the eleventh century. It seems that the first text in which the term appears is of Gilbert of Savardin, Archbishop of Tours, in a sermon from 1079 (Patrologia Latina CLXXI 776). The term first appeared in a papal document in the letter Cum Marthae circa to a certain John, Archbishop of Lyon,29 November 1202, [24] then in the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) [25] and afterward in the book "Iam dudum" sent to the Armenians in the year 1341. [26] An explanation utilizing Aristotle's hylemorphic theory of reality did not appear until the thirteenth century, with Alexander of Hales (died 1245).
Catholics may receive Holy Communion outside of Mass, but then it is normally given only as the host. The consecrated hosts are kept in a tabernacle after the celebration of the Mass and brought to the sick or dying during the week. Occasionally, the Eucharist is exposed in a monstrance, so that it may be the focus of prayer and adoration. [27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucharist

Eucharistic adoration

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Eucharistic adoration is a practice in the Roman Catholic and in Anglican Churches, in which the Blessed Sacrament is exposed to and adored by the faithful. When this exposure and adoration is constant (that is, twenty-four hours a day), it is called perpetual adoration. In a parish, this is usually done by volunteer parishioners; in a monastery or convent, it is done by the resident monks or nuns.

is the memorial something that means we will be condemned if we don't do it in exactly the right way?

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CHRISTMAS: December 25th DOES have a Biblical foundation! CHECK IT OUT!

by Lady Liberty in

my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.

we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!

could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???

reniaa

I also want to point out that however we may justify it, Jesus has very little top do with why we celebrate Christmas, it's definately an in name only thing, I only have to ask one question to show this.

Would Jesus approve of the way we celebrate christmas if it is to be something we do in his name?

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CHRISTMAS: December 25th DOES have a Biblical foundation! CHECK IT OUT!

by Lady Liberty in

my mother and i were talking about christmas being in december, and how the christians felt it was truely a victory to have christ jesus birth still celebrated, unlike the pagan sun god that was celebrated by the pagans at the same time.

we got to talking and realized that if you count backwards from when scholars really feel jesus was most likely really born (in september), and count back 280 days of pregnancy, it would actually be late december!!!

could it be that the birthday was from the date of conception, not delivery???

reniaa

Erm why doesn't the bible simply tell us when he was born if it wanted us to celebrate it using half a dozen pagan origin "Christmas traditions" that we no longer know why we do them?

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E-mail to JW Ex-Wife: What You Can Learn Researching the WTS in 3 Hours!

by Seeker4 in

i posted a thread earlier this week about a conversation i had with my jw ex-wife.

the next day i sent her this e-mail.

one should never be afraid of ideas.

reniaa

hi awakened i'm still here and not gone over yet you make good points but i don't want to take it to much off-topic either,

Its a good emall but it has a few things she might be able to pick at,

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E-mail to JW Ex-Wife: What You Can Learn Researching the WTS in 3 Hours!

by Seeker4 in

i posted a thread earlier this week about a conversation i had with my jw ex-wife.

the next day i sent her this e-mail.

one should never be afraid of ideas.

reniaa

I respect your opinion but one thing i would say to support my education statement is look at the ex-elders, ex-Ms and just ex Jw's on here, they all come across as intelligent inc yourself, Even if you can only read Jw books rightly or wrongly the way you are made to study and analyse them constantly will impact on your mind,

lol I can see a "Yeah in a bad way" coming from that but just step back and think of how all the constant studying does make you able to read and write more lucidly think more deeper on subjects etc. thats my personal experience possibly more noticeable for me because i was brought up on a council estate/ghetto and found my speech from reading and the way i looked at things also kept me apart from my peers in many ways after I left Jws