Posts by reniaa

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I was a False Prophet

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

jw
friends

i was a false prophet.

i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.

i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.

reniaa

hi jookbeard

lets lay this deut scripture to rest on false prophecy.

what Deut is really saying is that if someone is claiming to issue a divine prophecy and THAT does not come true, then they are a false prophet.

Numbers 12:5-6 (New International Version)

5 Then the LORD came down in a pillar of cloud; he stood at the entrance to the Tent and summoned Aaron and Miriam. When both of them stepped forward, 6 he said, "Listen to my words:
"When a prophet of the LORD is among you,
I reveal myself to him in visions,
I speak to him in dreams.

The witnesses have never claimed to be visited in visions or dream inspired by God to utter prophetic words from them but this is the claim that the "prophet" in israel was making when he called himself a prophet. If you read Isaiah, Ezek or Jeremiah they are all contacted by Jehovah DIRECTLY in a vision and given a personal comission. This is what Deut is talking about *in context*. A prophet who claims to have been visited and comissioned personally by Jehovah in a vision or a dream. And some did claim this inspiration and prophecy falsely and they got penalised for this. But witnesses have only ever interpreted existing prophecy from the bible and NEVER claimed inspiration of that sort.

The thing is that any of you that have been witnesses will know this! as I do because we have never been taught that our leaders are inspired from God or have prophetic visions or dreams from God to repeat and follow. This is a made up accusation.

Reniaa

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Huge development concerning Watchtower.org and "apostate" comments.

by DT in

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friends

wouldn't you love to comment on the watchtower.org site so that other visitors can see what you think about their doctrinal flip flops, false prophecies and dangerous medical practices?.

it's no surprise that watchtower.org doesn't allow comments.

they know that "apostates" would point out the embarrassing details about their religion and history.

reniaa

hi dt

Sorry to invade your thread further but I want to clarify my scripture was to highlight the betrayal similarity and that it is a biblically predicted thing so they can only do what they must do as apostates and absolutely not making any statement of equality to jesus.

Reniaa

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Huge development concerning Watchtower.org and "apostate" comments.

by DT in

jw
friends

wouldn't you love to comment on the watchtower.org site so that other visitors can see what you think about their doctrinal flip flops, false prophecies and dangerous medical practices?.

it's no surprise that watchtower.org doesn't allow comments.

they know that "apostates" would point out the embarrassing details about their religion and history.

reniaa

The funny thing is as a JW I was sceptical of the whole apostate thing I really thought it was just disgruntled ex-Jws. but on these forums (I have visited a few now) they have proved the Jw's correct, the whole apostate agenda is so agressive and active.

The apostates are a predicted thing biblically, so go do what you have to do!

John 13:21-29 (New International Version)

21 After he had said this, Jesus was troubled in spirit and testified, "I tell you the truth, one of you is going to betray me."

22 His disciples stared at one another, at a loss to know which of them he meant. 23 One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him. 24 Simon Peter motioned to this disciple and said, "Ask him which one he means."

25 Leaning back against Jesus, he asked him, "Lord, who is it?"

26 Jesus answered, "It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish." Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. 27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.

"What you are about to do, do quickly," Jesus told him, 28 but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him. 29 Since Judas had charge of the money, some thought Jesus was telling him to buy what was needed for the Feast, or to give something to the poor.

Reniaa

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The Son in two persons

by Deputy Dog in

the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.

when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.

one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .

reniaa

hi guys lets get down to brass tacks here.

these words have come to define themselves but original they had very simple meanings.

el - God meant powerful one and any powerful being not human was an el to hebrews but YHWH was defined by name and God of gods, the one true Almighty God over others.

Psalm 136:2 (New International Version)

2 Give thanks to the God of gods.
His love endures forever.

Daniel 11:36 (New International Version)

36 "The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every god and will say unheard-of things against the God of gods. He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.

thats why Deut 6:4 defines him as one YHWH not just one God hebrews knew there were many gods by their definition.

and again the use of divine could be applied to anything from God and people or angels possessing divine Godlike qualities given by God. Divine literally means of god.

the hypostatic union is taking all this ignoring it and redifining it and creating contradictions in the bible.

YHWH is identified as the One true God and this is by Jesus himself. the distinction between the Almighty God and Jesus is always kept very clear biblically.

John 17:1-3 (New International Version)

1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (New International Version)

5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Reniaa

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The Son in two persons

by Deputy Dog in

the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.

when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.

one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .

reniaa

hi nark

On this point I don't agree with you. we may from greek philosophy think son and father can be the same identity but this is not true biblically. Adam might have been adam in nature and then by identity as Adam in himself (the original word adam was for human) and eve might have been adam(human) by nature but eve wasn't Adam by identity which would be ludicrous to say and though she and Adam were 'one' they still had separate identities. thats why there is the one true God and he has a son that is a god/divine but not God in identity the bible also calls the angels divine/god which confirms the Jw intepretation rather than the hypostatic intepretation.

Psalm 8:5 (Amplified Bible)

5 Yet You have made him but a little lower than God [or heavenly beings], and You have crowned him with glory and honor.

Hebrews 2:7 (New International Version)

7 You made him a little [a] lower than the angels;
you crowned him with glory and honor

the word elohim for God used in this context for angels and confirmed in hebrews for angels. Now if this was said of Jesus trinitarians would use it as proof of hypostatic union as they do theos the greek equivalent of elohim but because it is angels they conveniently ignore it.

Reniaa

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New World Translation, is it the best bible translation?

by littlebuddy in

my jw elder friend said to me that the nwt is the best translation of the bible and that scholars have said as much.

is this true and is it the best?

are there scholars who disagree?.

reniaa

hi Dachaach

Your right but when I can read the bible and it tells me their is only One true God and the bible is clear on this, it's a bible absolute! All translations agree on it. It's a starting place and you can build on that.

Reniaa

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I was a False Prophet

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

jw
friends

i was a false prophet.

i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.

i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.

reniaa

hi chandry

I was I'm not young :s but I cannot see how getting ACTUAL bible prophecy wrong is false prophecy? as I said above we are meant to intepret the scriptural prophecies and to be prepared. what we shouldn't be doing is burying the talent unused. we are given bible prophecy for a reason we should be using it!.

Matthew 25:14-30 (New International Version)

14 "Again, it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. 15 To one he gave five talents [a] of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. Then he went on his journey. 16 The man who had received the five talents went at once and put his money to work and gained five more. 17 So also, the one with the two talents gained two more. 18 But the man who had received the one talent went off, dug a hole in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 "After a long time the master of those servants returned and settled accounts with them. 20 The man who had received the five talents brought the other five. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with five talents. See, I have gained five more.'

21 "His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

22 "The man with the two talents also came. 'Master,' he said, 'you entrusted me with two talents; see, I have gained two more.'

23 "His master replied, 'Well done, good and faithful servant! You have been faithful with a few things; I will put you in charge of many things. Come and share your master's happiness!'

24 "Then the man who had received the one talent came. 'Master,' he said, 'I knew that you are a hard man, harvesting where you have not sown and gathering where you have not scattered seed. 25 So I was afraid and went out and hid your talent in the ground. See, here is what belongs to you.'

26 "His master replied, 'You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I have not sown and gather where I have not scattered seed? 27 Well then, you should have put my money on deposit with the bankers, so that when I returned I would have received it back with interest.

28 " 'Take the talent from him and give it to the one who has the ten talents. 29 For everyone who has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'

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I was a False Prophet

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

jw
friends

i was a false prophet.

i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.

i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.

reniaa

HI jookbeard

It's easy to critisise the workers from the side of a field pointing out where they are going wrong but how can you get the wage unless you are working in the field?

Reniaa

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I was a False Prophet

by IWillBeDubbedNoMore in

jw
friends

i was a false prophet.

i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.

i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.

reniaa

hi Iwill

misintepreting bible scripture wrongly is not prophecy and I'm am still open on 1914 having seen the times prophecy, convoluted scripture? yes indeed, but still based on Prophecy from scripture. They are not putting scripture where it isn't and the generation scripture clearly is a doublefold prophecy and you know it! otherwise Jesus would have returned on the destruction of Jerusalem.

Biblical Prophecy is only 100% after the fact it is not expected we should have perfect understanding on it, most of it is in symbolic language and obscure thought so as to avoid People just paying lipservice to God. we are meant to interpret it with guidance. The accountability is in not doing it and failing to do God's will.

Matthew 24:47-52 (New International Version)

47 I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50 The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Reniaa

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Tell a minister why the Bible alone is not enough to reach jw

by carla in

please tell a minister why the bible alone is not enough to reach a jw.

i feel the language, doctrines, translation, etc..etc... all of it must be known as well as the bible.

please, serious answers only, thank you..

reniaa

Hi carla

I ask one main thing of a religion I believe in and that it follows the One true God as Jesus did. In jesus's own words what are the qualification for eternal life?

John 17:1-4 (New International Version)

1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "FATHER, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: THAT THEY MAY KNOW YOU, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. Reniaa