the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi nark
I'm sorry I got sidetracked back to duo-Jesus
hypostatic points
where in the bible does it say Jesus has two different wills?
it looks like they are trying to say Jesus is a duointy in himself so we have 3 in one trinity and 2 in one Jesus. and again not biblical.
Where in the bible does it say we can be two natures at the same time?
the bible says he emptied himself but if he still remained fully man and fully god what did he empty?
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi john dough Thank you again on the hypostatic definition
I was surprised at nark saying he didn't want me to say Jesus isn't God and that wasn't the point because hypostatic union is saying he is Fully God on top of being human so making that very claim. It's taking speculation of how Jesus goes from spirit to flesh to spirit again and taking it totally beyond scripture and the walls of defining God that inspired scripture has given us.
When I do a Jigsaw puzzle I always fit the edges so I know what to build on, you know all the rest of the pieces will fit within that frame. and that means if it doesn't fit it's wrong!
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi jonathon
It lost me when they started on john 1:1 and said this means he 'must be 3 in a different sense' when there is no mention of the holy spirit in john 1:1 that is just wishful thinking put onto john 1:1 they must miss 1 john 5:7 additions.
It's a big wall of rhetoric you've put there but it doesn't change bible absolutes, If Almighty God can only be One then he can never be three however much we wish it or say it, all you do is create an oxymoron that isn't real or biblical. The bible says God cannot die thats another absolute so Jesus dying stops him being God.
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi nark
Your right I went a bit far in speculation but it is easy to do, the scriptures are clear something happened at baptism. The assumption is that any of this makes him more or less a man. the appostles were given holy spirit that allowed them to do miracles did that make them more than men? Jehovah said he would make moses a God to pharoah and gave him powers that allowed moses do many miraculous things so while moses was doing this was he in nature the same as God?
Man is said to be made in God's image what does that mean?
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi yizuman
If god has no limitations then I declare he is 'a big pink fluffy rabbit' he's not limited so he can be! but he limits himself and defines himself biblically and so that is the measure we use. The bible says God cannot die. The bible also says no one can see YHWH and live etc. the difficulty of trying to say god is three is simply that he declares he is One it's as simple as that, he limits himself to one.
Trying to say god is three in one is like trying to say he is a 'big pink fluffy rabbit' neither is biblical and create contradictions with what the bible does say.
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
Hi nark
it's the bible that shows Jesus got knowledge at baptism so where does that leave your hypostatic union? hypostatic union is a construct and yes I am not so fully cognicent of all of the various word games constructed to explain speculations beyond the bible. but then I want people to show me scriptually their points but if the scriptures are deliberately vague then we shouldn't try and put our own speculations on them.
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi nark
sorry just edited my post to put my point on these scriptures
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
Angels God and Jesus are all said to be spirit biblically. In fact there are many creatures said to exist in spirit form including evil spirits.
Reniaa
the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.
when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.
one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .
hi nark and deputy
now can you show this to me biblically? because biblically God's son came down to earth became man died and got resurrected back and was still himself only not a man. it doesn't really go into details and so do we need the details?
I believe Jesus was fully human on earth as do the witnesses
but to put it simply. The way I see it is the best we can say is jesus used to be made of 'spirit stuff' then he was reborn into 'flesh stuff' and now he is once again 'spirit stuff'
flesh is flesh. spirit is spirit.
John 4:24
God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."
1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Hebrews 1:14
Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?
At no point is there any mention that he became the almighty God he is still kept separate from almighty God both before, during and after.
1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
My belief in the bible does not include speculation beyond it to validate my faith.
Reniaa
i was a false prophet.
i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.
i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.
On the table we have the accusation of false prophecy directed at the witnesses.
I have seen many ways people on here define false prophecy but for me the only way that counts is biblically which is how God and his son define false prophecy.
Matthew 24:24
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.
And witnesses don't do signs or miracles or claim prophetic dreams and visions or even claim they are inspired. All they do is try and intepret the ACTUAL ALREADY there biblie prophecies and we are given the bible prophecies to do exactly that so as to be prepared but God recognises we will have difficulty with them but understanding will come. as I said earlier thessalonians were eager and thought Jesus had returned but they weren't condemned just counciled.
9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
so clearly some parts of the bible were not meant to be understood till end times.
Reniaa
i was a false prophet.
i would spend many a waking hour proclaiming to others that i had special knowledge that i was willing to share so that they could survive the impeding doom that was shortly coming upon mankind.
i proclaimed to the world, or at least anyone i came in contact with, that the world would end within a generations time from 1914. i spoke this vile falsehood for years without any remorse.. i falsely spoke telling them that i was participating in a special separating work being done all over the world.
hi Iwill
We are discussing false prophets and what biblically classifies you as one of them. Which means uttering a false prophecy, being a prophet in itself is another issue since you can have prophets that never uttered prophecy at all like aaron and miriam. who where called prophets despite never getting a prophecy shown to them.
Exodus 15:20
Then Miriam the prophetess, Aaron's sister, took a tambourine in her hand, and all the women followed her, with tambourines and dancing.
here is one that is qualifying the word prophet to show it is in regards the acts of prophecy he is refering to not just being a prophet.
1 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, "Let us follow other gods" (gods you have not known) "and let us worship them," 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. here it say the prophecy can actually happen and take place as described but what makes it wrong is that it is done to a god that isn't Jehovah and they then asked to go worship them.
Reniaa
