no i am not even contenplating of pleading for it.. i was reading pay attention to and i paid attention to 2 cor.
2:6,7 which were about the only next to appropriate verses quoted for the purpose.
reading around the verses (not normally recommended for dubs) did not assure me that those verses apply to reinstatement.
I agree with you as to disfellowshipping too, although some cleaning measures could be needed and justified. I just had the idea to see if there would be Bilbical grounds for reinstatement, if not then that fact alone would indicate that present disfellowshipping and shunning practise cannot be justified.
But as we all know this not the only unscriptural and unjust practise Borg should change.
Mark
Edited by - Haereticus on 2 July 2002 2:41:44
no i am not even contenplating of pleading for it.. i was reading pay attention to and i paid attention to 2 cor.
2:6,7 which were about the only next to appropriate verses quoted for the purpose.
reading around the verses (not normally recommended for dubs) did not assure me that those verses apply to reinstatement.
No I am not even contenplating of pleading for it.
I was reading Pay Attention To and I paid attention to 2 Cor. 2:6,7 which were about the only next to appropriate verses quoted for the purpose. Reading around the verses (not normally recommended for dubs) did not assure me that those verses apply to reinstatement. As I got the idea that the person in question was not disfellowshipped? Am I wrong assuming this?
What other Biblical grounds there could be for reinstatement?
Mark
page 12 of the january 1, 1989 wt magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".
i take this as subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d., or should have come by now.. i find it interesting that the bound volume reprint has the wording changed to read, " a work that would be completed in our day.".
does anyone know why the change?
Mike
Pls read the first message again, as text has been altered and Harmagedon postponed once again.
page 12 of the january 1, 1989 wt magazine paragraph 8 ends with the statement that the apostle paul's missionary activity laid a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century.".
i take this as subtle prophecy that 'the end' will come by the year 2000 a.d., or should have come by now.. i find it interesting that the bound volume reprint has the wording changed to read, " a work that would be completed in our day.".
does anyone know why the change?
I did point out this change (among others in that matter) of text on a local religious forum. What I got back was dub-explanation: "With any book new editions always have corrections, it is natural." So it is as simple as that, just ask dubs and they'll explain to you.
How on earth dubs think that leaving the Borg makes one stupid?
i always hear at least two stories a year about someone i know who's left the "truth" goes back despite the trauma surrounding their departure.
this morning i heard yet another story.
a few years ago and elder's wife in my former uk congregation abruptly left the organization, surprising everyone and getting a big df in the process.
zenpunk
Do you feel that this turbulence was some sort of sign and it would not happen if an active JW would be taking the same flight or any flight in that sense?
Just my 2 eurocents worth.
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we have a bigg artikel in km abot our wuie on how to treat them in diffrent situations, not so much new things, but they confirm this harder treatment on dfd, as we have 1981.. not so happy for this, i think it is a bigg misstake to dont take this occasion to change to some more loving wuie.i can not follow why they do like this perhaps they are draw this to the end of the lione, but who are take the punnish for this, if not the averge jw, who i think dont like this so very much.. so i can not follow who they think, perhaps we have wolfs among us, who hurt ther members.. .
Celia
You missed artikel.
i just got out from jw bye a d.f.
4 weeks ago after 44 years as an active jw.am i insane or why am i having that great feeling of freedom??
i am sitting here infront of the computer having a cold beer and just enjoying life.shouldnt i be crying and having a depression sitting here in tears over missing all my jw friends that now are vanished??.
Kjell
I just tried out my poor swedish which isn't my mother tongue, as I am just en finne igen.
While we tend to generalize, the fact is that a rank and file witness is not the target we are aiming at. They are kept in dark and sometimes fed with bullshit. As you already pointed out there are some peculiar incidents around the WTBTS. I visited local religious forum today and I felt compelled to point out that while I was a JW I would have never ever believed that there would be a single incident of jailed JW except over the military issue. But with recently I have seen that - jailed pedophile JW's with good standing. It sure makes one to think. I had my share of more than two years over the military refusal and now they changed the doctrine. Until I learned the change I felt it was worth it, but not anymore.
Anyway it is good to have you here on either language.
Natti natti
Markku
Edited by - Haereticus on 30 June 2002 18:18:40
Edited by - Haereticus on 30 June 2002 18:21:4
i just got out from jw bye a d.f.
4 weeks ago after 44 years as an active jw.am i insane or why am i having that great feeling of freedom??
i am sitting here infront of the computer having a cold beer and just enjoying life.shouldnt i be crying and having a depression sitting here in tears over missing all my jw friends that now are vanished??.
Hejsan Kjell
Bda vi vet att det behvs en JV fr att frst hurudant det r att vara en JV. ven mera fr att skilja sig efter tiotals r. Fint att hra du har klarat dig bra and jag hoppas att det r detsamma ven i fortsttningen.
Jag har varit med Borgen cirka 20 r och varit ut cirka 30 r. Det var FN-fiasko som slutligen ndrade min sikt av Borgens sanningen(tm). I alla fall hoppas jag att du trivs och har det s bra som mjligt.
Med vnligt hlsning
Markku
Edited for missing scandinavian characters, but no avail. Seems that I have to approach Simon once again.
Edited by - Haereticus on 30 June 2002 13:35:45
Edited by - Haereticus on 30 June 2002 13:40:15
plans are to soon have shipments of nuclear waste to cross through many of our nation's cities to reach their dumpsite destinations.
i really don't care for the idea.
how do you feel about it?
It is being referred to as NIMBY, isn't it?
do all of you ex-jehovah's witnesses get upset when you are called an apostate?
you all call each other apostates, so why should you all get upset if i call you apostates?
if you don't like being called 'apostate', what title would you prefer?
wholewheat
Just in case you bump to a native speaking xjw finn, please refer to she/he as "luopio" not as "(Jehovan) todistaja".
