these un threads are so long that i have lost track while ago.
occasionally i have run across a reference to unhcr.
this is for you people that have deeper undestanding as what information may be helpfull:.
MadApostate
I knew nothing about things you wrote and already copy-paste-sent your message to my friend. We are in constant contact so reply should not take long.
When we have met I have wondered the number of JW's he has been dealing with at the field. I thought that it was just a coincidence.
"Proper preparation & planning prevents piss poor performance." - Awul Dasfilshabeda and Nowaynayda Zheet
these un threads are so long that i have lost track while ago.
occasionally i have run across a reference to unhcr.
this is for you people that have deeper undestanding as what information may be helpfull:.
These UN threads are so long that I have lost track while ago. Occasionally I have run across a reference to UNHCR. This is for you people that have deeper undestanding as what information may be helpfull:
Is there anything related specifically to UNHCR that you would still like to find out? I might be of assistance through friends that are associated with UNHCR in Geneva? They have tens of years experience of UNHCR field work in Asia and Africa.
"Proper preparation & planning prevents piss poor performance." - Awul Dasfilshabeda and Nowaynayda Zheet
i don't know if this was discussed here before, but, what is the most ignorant comment you ever heard an elder say.
i once had an elder say to me that my brother, who was at the time fighting in vietnam will be destroyed and killed over in 'nam because he did not accept "jehovah"!!!!
i promptly told him to go "f" himself.
El Kabong
Isn't it obvious that amongst elders we find quite a number of besserwissers with unlimited imagination?
Proper preparation & planning prevents piss poor performance - Awul Dasfilshabeda and Nowaynayda Zheet
ok......it has taken me lots of soul searching to put this post up (it contains some facts i dont really feel all that comfortable putting up).
but i will try and leave out here for as long as i can.. it is an email i have sent to my dad.
it is a followup - he has some of the info on the un already.
msil
I share your feelings and opinions and see no reason to try to achieve "a hero status". As you put it this word prison is something special and people get easily carried astray when speaking of if.
I sometimes get consolation especially from my daughter's attitude after the long and painful period to see her mother dying of once already won cancer. She at the age of 14 was my hero and still is. I believe there are large number of people around that would go through worse hardships than we did to get back their untimely died child.
My father never told war stories he only made a few sarcastic remarks over the years. Today I would not pay so much attention after all these years. Now the thing has grown together into a one question of principle.
Nearby here lives a dutchman aged 76, he is an 100 % atheist and went underground during WWII and was finally jailed. It is refreshing to talk about this subject with him as we do not exchange experiences but talk mainly of the basic idea of pacifism etc.
Time and talking or in fact writing are good means of smoothing difficulties.
the uk charity commission lists 'the advancement of religion' as one of its 'first group charitable purposes'.. it makes the "general assumption that the advancement of religion is for the public benefit".
the advancement of religion.
for the advancement of religion to be charitable, a religion has to:.
It may be my shortcoming of english language but plain charity is something that was denied or avoided when I was a young JW some 40 years ago. Then several years ago I downloaded this famous guideline for elders (Pay Attention .....). Page 11 states: "Watch for opportunities to help others, even physically."
Page 12 goes to pinpoints concrete examples: "A pioneer has car trouble." Which I guess should read for Finland as: "A pioneer has central heating problem."
"An elderly widow needs help applying for social services." and "A single parent or a widow has a leaking roof." This is something that goes without saying from my point of view. Charity to me is something else than just giving help in an acute situation.
Proper preparation & planning prevents piss poor performance - Awul Dasfilshabeda and Nowaynayda Zheet
ok......it has taken me lots of soul searching to put this post up (it contains some facts i dont really feel all that comfortable putting up).
but i will try and leave out here for as long as i can.. it is an email i have sent to my dad.
it is a followup - he has some of the info on the un already.
somebody
Thank you for your comment. Once taking a stand and enduring the foreknown concequences is not the main issue here. I do not think any of us would seek unjust pity for what we went through. After all it was our choice to fight a fine fight for the faith.
This reminds me of the old saying: It is not the picking of nose that takes me but eating the snot.
I would have never ever believed that my 40 years old decision has to be revisited and will be brought to shame. That's what it boils down to - at least with me. At the same time we have to bear in mind that the vast majority of similar and worse experiences is never published on this forum.
some posters to this board, who perhaps are bored posters, have been out of the wts for a long while, some for decades.
i think i understand why you still feel the need to meet here but just wished to hear from you personally.. how long have you been out?
why do you still feel the need to discuss and involve yourselves with jw issues?
hillary_step
I am a newcomer here and do not know of the past history of messages. I was disfellowshipped somewhere around 1970 and have forfotten the exact date as I received a written notice while working abroad.
I have never lost my interest to Bible nor had any hard feelings towards JW's and the organization. As I already worked abroad DF was no big deal - knowingly none of my workmates at Sahara oilfield were JW's. My feelings were not really mixed and had good time to settle.
I am here for just one simple reason and it is this recent incident. Despite of my position outside the organization I felt that the time I served for my neutrality was not wasted. After this recent incident I am unable to feel the same way anymore.
Haereticus
Proper preparation & planning prevents piss poor performance - Awul Dasfilshabeda and Nowaynayda Zheet
ok......it has taken me lots of soul searching to put this post up (it contains some facts i dont really feel all that comfortable putting up).
but i will try and leave out here for as long as i can.. it is an email i have sent to my dad.
it is a followup - he has some of the info on the un already.
msil
It moves me how similar our experiences were and yet how similar our wievs are today. As I wrote my message late last night I have had few and could not hold back my tears. This act of nullifying the neutrality for which you and others have fought is hard to bear.
If by any change you feel it would be of any avail you can drop me an e-mail to [email protected]
We were determined and still are.
ok......it has taken me lots of soul searching to put this post up (it contains some facts i dont really feel all that comfortable putting up).
but i will try and leave out here for as long as i can.. it is an email i have sent to my dad.
it is a followup - he has some of the info on the un already.
msil
Your experience brings back hars memories. One major difference is that we never experienced physical violence. Just loss of personal freedom is hard enough but especially the "softening" solitary confinement periods required determination. I remember when released (1968) just walking first steps on an asphalt felt strange because for more than two years I had been walking on a soft soil for an hour daily. That included emptying out a plastic bucket that was used as a toilet. No radio allowed, outgoing mail was restricted to four letters a month, one visitor per month etc.
I felt proud and that was a fight for my faith in Jehovah. My disfellowshipping 30 years ago did not change my attitude for the time served. I felt that I had accomplished something for future generation. And after few years JW's were exempted.
Recent events did hit me hard, I felt betrayed and all sort of feelings. I wrote to this forum and as mother and sister are still JW and i had to write a letter about my feelings. To get by easy I addressed the only letter to my sister - addressing it to my mother would have probably cut short the information chain.
Msil - we both know that these impossible to forget. Because of my age (55) it is unlike to face the same again. Yet I am prepared to do something I feel is right but possible second round is my private fight and unlikely along with Jehovah Witnesses.
somewhat familiar helsinki came up so many times that i started searching for jehovah at http://www.csce.gov/helsinki.cfm i found a csce document "deteriorating religious liberties in europe".
this meeting held july 30.
1998 had interesting connection to the society.
Somewhat familiar Helsinki came up so many times that I started searching for Jehovah at http://www.csce.gov/helsinki.cfm I found a CSCE document "Deteriorating Religious Liberties in Europe". This meeting held July 30. 1998 had interesting connection to the Society. Mr Colby May a Senior Counsel in the Office of Governmental Affairs of the American center for Law and Justice was questioned by James Pellecchia from Public Affairs International for Jehovah's Witnesses.
Go and load this pdf-file where on page 19 mr May replies: "On the other hand, I hope that the process of granting to the Watch Tower Society what we call an Intesa, or a sort of concordat in Italy......Intesa is much more than being recognized, it is really entering into cooperative agreement with the government."
To my view religious deterioration in this respect has rather taken place somewhere else.
