I could be mistaken. I am trying to go by memory from a discussion I had with my grandfather. He could also be mistaken and he is not here today to ask but I thought it was an acoustic.
Quirky1
i've been on a country kick lately, which is driving my girlfriend batty, but you see growing up on a farm and all, and doing chores with my dad and grandpa, we listened to old time country.
there were a couple am stations that played it when i was a little boy (80's)... so we'd hear, buck, george jones, johnny cash, merle haggard, ernest tubb, don williams, paycheck, tammy wynette, loretta lynn, patsy cline, etc.
i remember when dwight yoakam came out and dad and i were both sad, because grandpa wasn't around to hear him, and his bakersfield sound.. i sometimes didn't always like it then, and there is still some that i don't care for.
I could be mistaken. I am trying to go by memory from a discussion I had with my grandfather. He could also be mistaken and he is not here today to ask but I thought it was an acoustic.
Quirky1
i've been on a country kick lately, which is driving my girlfriend batty, but you see growing up on a farm and all, and doing chores with my dad and grandpa, we listened to old time country.
there were a couple am stations that played it when i was a little boy (80's)... so we'd hear, buck, george jones, johnny cash, merle haggard, ernest tubb, don williams, paycheck, tammy wynette, loretta lynn, patsy cline, etc.
i remember when dwight yoakam came out and dad and i were both sad, because grandpa wasn't around to hear him, and his bakersfield sound.. i sometimes didn't always like it then, and there is still some that i don't care for.
I am a rocker myself but if it was to be country it would have to be "Classic Country". Yes, I watched a lot of Hee Haw and listened to Buck Owens and many of the others you mentioned. Today's country has lost the classictouch and is more pop and bubblegum.
My family has a lot of background in music. My grandfather used to be a traveling salesman for Washburn guitars, which is what Buck played. My parents & grandparents had several music stores when I was younger as well as a small 8-track recording studio.
My Dad, grandpa and even my greatgrandfather as well as other family members played in and managed several bands. They recorded some 45's and I have a lot on tape of them togther.
Quirky1
i remember how much emphasis the org used to put on studying your publications, and how looking at other peoples books during the meeting was like seeing a lazar show with bright, hot, multicolored, florescent highlighted pages.
but i never personally enjoyed studying (even when i was more hardcore in it) so since i used to have privileges/responsibilities one of the requirements was to study for all the meetings, so before the meetings i would take a hot yellow and florescent blue marker and quickly just start marking up my books so that it looked like it was studied.
sometimes to look even more spiritual i would take a pen and start writing random crap in the margins, even scribble lines so from far away it looked likes cursive.
In the beginning I was like most. I was honest and I studied hard, made lots of notes. After a year or two of that I started just highlighting main catch phrases and immediate answers. I was to mentally and physically exhausted to continue racking my brain against the bible that I became mundane.
I got to the point that I didn't study, made jiberish notes at conventions and assemblies. Played Tic-Tac-Toe with myself, drew moustaches on the characters in the Witchtower and Asleeps.
I'm already tired of talking about it. (yawn)
Quirky1
dad, .
i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.
im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.
Dawg,
I don't understand because I've never been shunned even though it will happen one day if I'm Df'd and my in-laws are still Jdubs. I cannot really understand the whole concept of shunning period especially your own flesh and blood. To me it is a lot of BS and nothing more.
You can work on the more subtle things like some mentioned previously such as send a post card or a phone call, hope he answers and blurt a few words out. I don't have the answers you are looking for but don't give up. After all he is your father and that's all you are asking him to be.
I know it is indeed frustrating. I went without speaking to my father for 25 years, not for religious reasons. And another family member helped us to reconnect and we currently have a channell of communication even if it isn't as father and son as I would like it to be it is still comminication.
Dawg, I hope you the best in whatever decision you make!
Quirky1
dad, .
i doubt youll even read this letter since it comes from your son, a son youve abandoned over your religious views, but i wanted to write you one final letter to see if theres any hope that you can come to your senses as far as this religion goes and we can renew our relationship.
im doing this because i care for you and mom deeply and feel very much distressed that you two refuse to see anyones opinion as being factual other than your own when it concerns the jw religion.
I agree with some of the things OTWO mentioned. Of course I do not know the whole history here but I would not want to receive a letter like this from son no matter what my or his stand may be.
I would not send it. It is pretty shattering.
Just my thoughts.
Quirky1
so 8 years ago this time, i was running around in a mad rush - hairdressers and make up and flowers and so on.
the wedding was gorgeous.
somehow, by some miracle, we managed not to totally piss off either of our families (nic - of a catholic/anglican background and me of a jw background).
Happy Anniversary!
Quirky1
i'm new to the boards.
my partner has been posting here for a little while, so i figured i'd start posting too.
as for my status, i have faded and am now living life out of the closet.... well, sort of.
Welcome Male Formed.....
.....Now Spill the beans...What's up?
Quirky1
mr. flipper told him all this stuff about the whole pedophilia/ 1975 debacle, everything.
they talked for sooooo long... hubby really listened.. it started when i called them to talk about how to handle the elders.
then, i thought, hubby should know who i'm talking to.
Cognac, It is good to hear that your husband spoke to Mr.Flipper. I hope everything was encouraging but at this point I would agree that it all is.
I have your other threads concering this but have yet to comment, I think.
As for Mr. Flipper, I agree with the package, "keep up the good work", maybe one day I can have you speak with my misses and maybe her parents.
I hope you the best in your endeavors Cognac!
Quirky1
well my situation has developed a bit, any advice appreciated.. their has been a gradual building up of pressure ever since i stood down as an elder about 6 months ago.. i have been telling my wife about my doubts but have continued to attend "some" meetings.. as time has progressed i have become more open with my criticism of the org.. i mentioned the un scandal, molestation trials, false prophecy ect etc.. interestingly she does not deny these facts and yet still wants to continue as a jw.. i told her that god is not happy with people knowingly being part of a false prophet (deut 18 - etc) - starting to lay the groundwork for my exit.. she appreciates the difficult situation doubters are in - they cannot openly express their feelings for fear of jcs.. anyway, a few weeks ago we moved house which meant changing congregation.. but i felt it would be best if i did not attend meetings " at all" at the new cong so my fade could be easier.. but i could not have predicted my wifes response - when i told her it was an explosion of emotion, i mean real heartbreaker stuff.. she seems depressed at the prospect, perhaps the reality is finally hitting home.. last night, about 3a.m.
i noticed that she was not in bed.
i went downstairs and she was sobbing away to herself.. "i can't go to that hall myself!
Scottsman, I feel for you. What I am about to post probably has already been said by others and they all share some good advice but about two months ago I was in a similar situation but in my case we didn't move. The advise I give is as such.
Give her time. This will allow her healing process to begin. She is still in the mindset of "Everlasting Life" and she wants you to be there with her. I am sure this is very upsetting to her emotionally knowing that you may not be there in the "New World".
You not attending the meetings is a "stick to your guns" decision. You do not want the plague of guilt being thown in your face about "Not" being there with her. I am sure this is also another emotional upset especially if you two done everything together. She will eventually not bring it up. But, encourage her to go to the meetings. Also, you do not want the other Jdubs interfering with your fade. Even if you no longer attend and you don't interfere with her spiritual routine there is nothing they can do.
I do suggest reading "Crisis of Conscience" if you haven't already and try to get her to read it pr read it together; either way she will probably refuse if she is a "Die Hard Jdub" but have it around just in case. I already had my doubts about the Borg but this just confirmed it.
It is a difficult road and there are a lot more bumps in it. So, hang on, it won't be easy! Your wife will have many more emotional ups and downs, I know, I've been there.
I am still hanging it out and only time will tell where it will go.
I hope you the best and please let me know how it is working.
Thanks,
Quirky1
so my girlfriend and i are getting very serious, and i've bought her engagement ring, should be done being built sometime in may.
then at some point later, i'm going to ask her to marry me.
she was with me and picked out her ring, so she knows its coming.
Hello BB59, I am sorry to hear you are in this situation. My in-laws are Die Hard Jdubs too and this sounds like something they would do. This is a persons happiest monet and for your own relatives not to be there would be very disappointing. Maybe he will have second thoughts and reconsider. I don't know if he will or not because that is the same JW mindset my in-laws have. Is it right? "No".
Before my departure from Jdubville my children have confronted me with this very same thing and I assured them that I would be at any wedding they chose, whether part of Jdubland or not. I was their parent and by damn I was going to be there.
I will say tho that your father will "probably" regret it if he doesn't show, even if he doesn't he should.
I hope you the best!
Quirky1