this thread has probably been 'done' a million times before but as i am fairly new to the forum i would like to ask (quite seriously)......... if you still beleive in god do you also still believe in paradise on earth?.
my friend has realised that it's not the truth.....not sure whether her belief in the above will change though.. thenks bbinkss.
bb:
In your opening post, you addressed this question to those who still believe in God. Following that premise, can you also stipulate that:
1. the Bible is true
2. Jesus was sent to save mankind
?
If so, I think I might have an interesting question for you to ponder.
this thread has probably been 'done' a million times before but as i am fairly new to the forum i would like to ask (quite seriously)......... if you still beleive in god do you also still believe in paradise on earth?.
my friend has realised that it's not the truth.....not sure whether her belief in the above will change though.. thenks bbinkss.
I believe that some day people will be living in a paradise earth; just like we would all still be doing if not for Adam's sin. Of course, some will go to heaven also. They are both just abodes. I think one reason so many are now repulsed by it is thinking that the JW's will be there still lording it over them, and that is just not true.If people like that were allowed there, it certainly could never be a paradise. I am speaking mostly of the leadership, not the commoners.
The WTS has a lot of things wrong; but they do have some things right. Doesn't mean they are approved by God. Just because I believe in paradise earth does not mean I will be judged worthy to live there, any more than they.
Just my personal opinion.
i`m a dubkid,i was raised in a crazy cult,the jehovah`s witness`s........death and destruction were constant topics of the day.........................you heard it every day,then you went to meetings and heard more of the same thing..........................one of my first children`s books was "paradise lost to paradise regained"..mom wanted me to have a nice big book,with lots of pictures of death and destruction!...............................i feared armageddon everyday............when i was about 7 or 8,i remember walking home from school..and....we had a huge thunder storm!..sheets of rain!..lightning bolts lite up the sky!..and..the thunder was deafining!................i was frigg`n scared!..armageddon was here!
!.......................do you remember the day,"you knew armageddon was here?!
"...........................................outlaw
At least it was more than a "Thunder Storm"....
Cas
Ah Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaa!!!! I bet he tee tee'd in his pants.
Funny, 9/11 didn't have the Armageddon effect on me. Perhaps I had been out long enough.
I was well out by then.So 911 didn`t affect me,the way it would most Dubs
Several mentions of 9/11 here...Funny, I still was sorta in da twoof at the time, and I woke up that day and turned on the tele and there it all was, and I didn't even think about it being the Big A
Isn't this interesting? I was in the turmoil of leaving during this time (but still thinking it's the truth) and I, too, never thought it was Armageddon. I thought it might possibly be the end of our world as we knew it (maybe our country would become war-torn) but never thought about the Big A. Maybe I felt so bad I didn't care anymore?
i remember taking a test on the theory of evolution, and i intentionally answered the questions wrong, because of course jehovah created everything.
i bet i sure made jehovah's heart glad by flunking that test for him.
the next day the teacher called home and talked to my parents about the test; she apparently told them how she felt i knew the answers, but answered wrong anyway.
Aw, Loon, I think that was sweet - taking it upon yourself to do that. Seemed to be a little role reversal going on in your home?
I remember when my daughter was in grade school. She asked me how to answer some things that were obviously wrong in the text book. (It had Abraham being only 50 when he died). I told her to say "according to our book, the answer is.....". I never wanted her to spaz too much about anything.
it looks like the wt is running out of money fast.
few weeks ago we had the co visit and he told us in the ms and elders meeting that he had never seen a letter from the gb like this one, but then he went ahead and read it.
the letter basically said: "the contributions are down and there is more people in the congregation.
Sway said:
I want my money back, but I doubt they're going to give it to me.
No need to doubt; you're not getting it. Btw, welcome to the board. Jeremy said:
I believe that the Society is going to have some very bitter brothers on their hands.
Do you really think so? If a particular one could feel a little of the bitterness I had, that he was so repulsed by, that would not make me sad.
i had a typing class in high school and learned to type with both hands it has stayed with me to this day...do you hunt and peck with 2 fingers or whole handed...
I could always type like the wind compared to my co-workers; not as fast as Blondie, though. Young people freak out when I use the numbers at the top instead of the ones on the side.
You hunt n peckers would save a lot of time if you would just learn to type. My honey does this and it drives me crazy.
vrooom vrooom!
ah, my two-wheeled therapist!.
i know some of the fellas here ride, but are there any sister bikers about?.
LZ, I rode a bike many long years ago; a Kawasaki 440.
I ride with the attitude that everyone is out to kill me on my motorcycle so I drive aggressively defensive.
That's good, because they are, in my experience. I usually rode alone and so many people would just try to see if they could kill you. I've had a few cups of ice thrown at my head. Back in those days, we didn't have sense enough to wear a helmet; and besides I was trying to look cool.
I wish I still had the nerve to ride, though. I suppose it is the most free feeling I ever had. Enjoy and be safe.
if you make friends here, keep posting here and keep following the forum for a while, you might reach 10,000 posts.
i've found this place a really good outlet and place to learn and share for quite a while.
the number of posts doesn't really matter... but the freedom to speak one's mind and to perhaps share ideas that might help others get past the jw experience .. that does matter!.
Wow, gopher. I've always enjoyed your posts; you're one of my favorites.
i remember when i was a kid in "the truth.
there was an elderly sister that had a heart attack during the meeting.
she made loud gasping sounds as she was holding on for dear life.
".....having no natural affection......"
If these examples don't prove that they have a form of godly devotion, but prove false to its power, I don't know what does.
Let's get back to our educational meeting so we can learn what we are not going to apply in real everyday life.
Blind Pharisaic Arsehats!
coming to terms with the truth about "the truth" is the most painful thing i've been through to date.
i've lost people i love in death (thankfully not a child though).
i've not experienced a divorce.
I'm with you, Mickey. Realizing there was no true love there was the worst thing I've ever been through, and the longest period of time I've ever mourned.
There had been several times I thought I had hit bottom - divorce; alcoholic, loveless marriage; estranged family members. Boy, they didn't even come close.
But somehow even after I was gone, I was still thinking it was the "truth" and I had no hope spiritually because I couldn't hang.
So you are already ahead of the game there, I'd say. I guess the more whole-souled you are, the worse it is when love is unrequited.
