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  Evil lying Manipulators OR Captive Duped Slaves Duping Others (or some of both)?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i see many threads that address this issue, but i still don't have a clear thought on this.

  so i want your help.. the governing body misleads the members- no doubt.

  they do change some of their history to make the wt organization look smarter or better-guided by "jehovah.

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  A couple of thoughts:

  Regarding who wields the real power, it must be acknowledged that legal has much influence over the operation of the various corporations. At times, this can spill over into congregation procedure (i.e., wording of disfellowshipping/disassociation announcements, child custody issues, etc.)

  Perhaps the stockholders likewise have influence and are enriched by the organization's operations. In the absence of hard evidence, this is speculative. The stockholders I have known would be wealthy without their involvement in the corporate affairs of the Society. I believe the real power lies in the power over people's lives, as opposed to power to make decisions governing corporations. The lawyers and stockholders are Jehovah's Witnesses in good standing. As such, they are under the power of the Governing Body. Without the power over people's lives, there would be no cash flow, no volunteer workforce and no need for corporations.

  As far as how aware the GB is of past error is concerned, I believe Ray Franz wrote that he was unaware of certain negative aspects of the religion's history when he was on the GB. From what I know, in the post-Rutherford era, those with substantive knowledge in this area are all dead. I don't believe any on the current Governing Body are as aware of the organization's true history as are many on this board.

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  Evil lying Manipulators OR Captive Duped Slaves Duping Others (or some of both)?

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  i see many threads that address this issue, but i still don't have a clear thought on this.

  so i want your help.. the governing body misleads the members- no doubt.

  they do change some of their history to make the wt organization look smarter or better-guided by "jehovah.

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  To get around the contradiction that they are not inspired but yet are "spirit led," I believe the following scenario has been invented: When the GB meets, they pray for the holy spirit to guide them. To the extent they are following the direction set forth in the spirit-inspired Scriptures, they can be said to be "spirit led." However, since they are also imperfect, there will be times when they fail to fully discern what the Scriptures are saying.

  This is the same rationale used to explain why someone appointed by spirit to be an elder can cover up his wrongdoing and still serve as an elder. Of such a person it is said that he can be regarded as spirit appointed to the extent he lives up to the Scriptural requirements for elders.

  So, when adjustments are made, even major ones and reversionary ones, it is credited to a more complete understanding of the Scriptures. This would include acknowledging, if only to themselves, that they were wrong in the past.

  Their keen, albeit mistaken, sense of stewardship over the "Lord's belongings" forces them to avoid anything that would jeopardize the process of protecting and adding to those belongings. Hence the non-disclosure of information that would damage their credibility as stewards.

  Their captivity to a concept and their being victimized by victims governs the Governing Body and molds their conscience. Had honesty and love of what is right governed, they would have either made sweeping changes, admissions and apologies, or they would have closed up shop altogether.

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  WHO polices the Circuit Overseers?

  by babygirl30 in

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  is required to 'monitor' the elders...but who monitors the c.o.?

  i ask that because thinking back to all the c.o.

  's i've had seen, each had his own personality and style.

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  Generally, the COs answer to the DOs. One of the functions of the DO is to work along with the CO in the host congregation during the week of that circuit's assembly. During that week, he is supposed to offer counsel to the CO. Of course the CO is answerable to anyone in the organization; however, the ones below him in the pecking order had better be perceived to be right in the eyes of those those above him.
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  How do you organize your music collection?

  by restrangled in

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  seems no matter how hard i try, it winds up all shuffled up, cd covers lost, inserts pulled out, and a pile of loose cd's because who ever is listening never puts them back.. if a few are out no problem.

  right now i am working on about 300 loose cd's with run away covers.. i must be doing something wrong.. do you organize by the type of music...like classical, rock, jazz,....?

  do you just do it by alpha?

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  Beksbks: I'm also a clarinetist. I think the best thing about Glenn Miller was his clarinetist, Wilbur Schwartz. I had the opportunity to work on some music with his daughter, Nan, some years back.
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  Dumbest Awake Title Ever?

  by metatron in

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  i hold in my hand the nov. awake magazine entitled "technology - blessing or curse?"..

  now, i understand the need for balance and moderation in using technology, as the magazine says - but could they come up with a more intelligent sounding title?

  it makes the question sound as if abandoning technology might be a solution, a considered choice, a real possibility.

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  Kenny G--What is the Bible's View?
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  Notes From the Annual Meeting - Oct 3, 2009

  by daniel-p in

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  from a little bird... .

  interesting portions highlighted.

  notes from annual meeting (oct 3, 2009) .

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  This is just an educated guess but I believe the GB knows that a good number have left the organization over the removal of time sensitivity from the "generation" explanation. If Jack Barr actually spoke as quoted, this would be putting some time sensitivity back into the explanation.

  Much of what is taught is based more on how past teachings affect the group as a whole. If there is seen to be a good result, they can say the teaching had Jehovah's blessing. If there is a negative result then it's time to adjust the teaching. Any Scriptural foundation is often lost in this process.
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  MY BROTHER-IN-LAW HAS DIED

  by Mary in

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  this is one post i had always hoped i would never have to do, but after a long and brave battle, my beloved brother in law has died.

  i have done a couple of threads on this in the past, so many of you know the battles he was facing.

  he had been diagnosed earlier this year with myelodysplastic syndrome and the mortality rate of this disease is quite high.

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  A beautiful tribute. Our deepest sympathies, Mary.

  Love,

  Frank and Barbara
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  Laaaaaaaa! anyone remember the "showoff" singers?

  by highdose in

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  i can remember several.

  both male and female.

  belting and roaring out those awfull kingdom melodys as if to say " look how well/ loudly i sing, i'm so much more spirtual that all of you!".

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  Back in the days when we used pianos to accompany the singing, I very bizarre sister would visit our congregation once a year. Her singing (like her speaking voice) was so loud and strident that it would actually disrupt the singing overall. She told me she played the piano, so I thought great, I'll ask her to play the piano. She readily accepted. I felt a feeling of accomplishment until it was time to sing the first song. Not only was her piano playing almost as bad as her singing, but unlike most of us who played the piano for the meetings, she played and sang.

  Had I not stopped attending meetings two years ago, I'd still be getting flack for this.

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  Circuit & District Overseers That Made An Impact

  by minimus in

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  we have a lot of new ones on this site as well as some who have been here for years----i know this subject has been brought up before, but were there any memorable cos or dos that you can recall?.

  co arnie scneider was my last co when i was an elder.

  he was a very sweet man..

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  I believe Angelo had a brother who served on a body of elders in New Jersey or New York. I had corresponded with him regarding a reinstatement.
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  Circuit & District Overseers That Made An Impact

  by minimus in

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  we have a lot of new ones on this site as well as some who have been here for years----i know this subject has been brought up before, but were there any memorable cos or dos that you can recall?.

  co arnie scneider was my last co when i was an elder.

  he was a very sweet man..

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  Isaacaustin:

  Danny Bowles was brought in to our circuit to clean up after lunitic CO had wreaked havoc. Always thought Danny was kind. I heard he died some years ago.

  George Warienchuck was related to my best friend's family. Last I knew, he was serving Portugese language circuits. I remember him insisting on paying for my friend and me when we met him in the lounge at the Newark, NJ airport. I liked him as a person, although I don't know what it was like to be "served" by him.

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