Posts by DNCall

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just finished reading the Candace Conti court docs

by soft+gentle in

i had been reading discussions on topix about the case and decided to go see what was actually said and not said during the trial.

i'm left with several indelible impressions of the courage and honesty of candace and of her mother kathleen.. another thing is that the court was given the opportunity to really get a feel for the jw lifestyle.

the close family relationships they promote which emphasizes, for me, that if the elders had been as vigilant as they said they were they would have spotted that kendrick had become alarmingly close to candace.

DNCall

s+c, I like to think of Candace as she is today, in spite of her tragic past--courageous and smart, even heroic. I also feel gratitude that she was able to connect with Rick Simons, who I believe is fighting a righteous battle not only on behalf of Candace, but many others as well.

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Candace Conti Trial and the Realm of Confidentiality

by DNCall in

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like soft+gentle, i just finished reading the trial transcript.

during the process of digesting what i read, i was reminded of a concept that i learned, ironically, during a phone conversation with an elder in the service department.

i dont remember what the issue was that i was calling about but i do remember him mentioning the concept of a "realm of confidentiality.

DNCall

s+g, with regard to your last post, while the question as to who should be included as confidants can be complicated, my point was that parents being included is simple and straightforward, if not obvious.

The notion that even a repentant child abuser might be offended if he found out that the parents had been warned by the elders, and that he might sue the Watchtower for slander, is simply absurd. Even if that happened, wouldn't that be a more noble case to fight in court than what Watchtower now finds itself fighting?

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just finished reading the Candace Conti court docs

by soft+gentle in

i had been reading discussions on topix about the case and decided to go see what was actually said and not said during the trial.

i'm left with several indelible impressions of the courage and honesty of candace and of her mother kathleen.. another thing is that the court was given the opportunity to really get a feel for the jw lifestyle.

the close family relationships they promote which emphasizes, for me, that if the elders had been as vigilant as they said they were they would have spotted that kendrick had become alarmingly close to candace.

DNCall

Like soft+gentle, I just finished reading the trial transcript.During the process of digesting what I read, I was reminded of a concept that I learned, ironically, during a phone conversation with an elder in the Service Department.I don’t remember what the issue was that I was calling about but I do remember him mentioning the concept of a "realm of confidentiality."Essentially, it’s the idea that there are those who qualify to be included this realm.Why would parents not be included?By the Awake! magazine’s own words, parents are the “first line of defense” against child abuse.Isn’t it common sense that you would include parents?I was struck by how the judge seemed to base his rulings, instructions and interpretations on common sense, at times citing to common law.

For me, at least, the concept of a realm of confidentiality helped me prioritize the complex and sophisticated arguments and issues in this case.I hope it may help others.

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Candace Conti Trial and the Realm of Confidentiality

by DNCall in

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like soft+gentle, i just finished reading the trial transcript.

during the process of digesting what i read, i was reminded of a concept that i learned, ironically, during a phone conversation with an elder in the service department.

i dont remember what the issue was that i was calling about but i do remember him mentioning the concept of a "realm of confidentiality.

DNCall

Like soft+gentle, I just finished reading the trial transcript. During the process of digesting what I read, I was reminded of a concept that I learned, ironically, during a phone conversation with an elder in the Service Department. I don’t remember what the issue was that I was calling about but I do remember him mentioning the concept of a "realm of confidentiality." Essentially, it’s the idea that there are those who qualify to be included this realm. Why would parents not be included? By the Awake! magazine’s own words, parents are the “first line of defense” against child abuse. Isn’t it common sense that you would include parents? I was struck by how the judge seemed to base his rulings, instructions and interpretations on common sense, at times citing to common law.

For me, at least, the concept of a realm of confidentiality helped me prioritize the complex and sophisticated arguments and issues in this case. I hope it may help others.

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long time lurker (3-4 years) first time poster

by Patient-dude in

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hey i have come to love some of the discussions on here and the information.

i am currently awake and have no plans to fade, in my case i am patient enough to in time become an elder to at least help the younger friends here in my area, in the sense of helping them wake up/if elder have their back..

DNCall

Welcome Patient-dude. Your OP and replies have raised a question for me. Is there anyone reading this, or anyone any of you know of, who "awakened" because they were coaxed by someone else to do so? This isn't a rhetorical question. I'd really like some feed-back.

The reason I ask is that, from what I know, each of us has to initiate the process of awakening on our own. SomeTHING or someTHINGS have to trigger OUR thinking so as to begin to dismantle the programming (as opposed to someONE).

As time goes on, I believe there will be more and more THINGS that will trigger members to wake up. My current opinion is that things (i.e., events, actions, rulings, changes in policy, scandal, erroneous theology/chronology/prgonositcation) will change members' thinking, not the persuasion of someone on the inside. I'm not asking for your thoughts just for me, but for Patient-dude and everyone else.

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Another probe of the Governing Body theory

by QC in

note the activity topology of spiritually "gifted" faithful religiously pure network of individual christians sustaining the therapeia (qerapeiavhousehold for spiritual cure) lu 12:42under the leadership of jesus in heaven.

all accomplished by autonomous ecclesia without central control from jerusalem.

this is the model antecedent for today's class of individual "faithful discreet" slaves.

DNCall

How effective was the one edict that came out of the meeting in Jerusalem? That meeting occurred in 49 CE.

As Paul revisited various congregations my means of his letters he had to also revisit the circumcision issue because whatever was decided in Jerusalem did not bind the other congregations. In 50-52 CE Paul had to counsel the Galations about returning to the yoke of slavery to the law. In 55 CE Paul had to settle disputes in the Corinthian Congregation regarding circumcision. In 60-61 CE, Paul had to counsel the Philippians that debates over the circumcision issue were causing spiritual injury. Finally, in 61-64 CE, when writing to Titus regarding the Christians in Crete, he spoke of expelling from the congregation those who were furthering the controversy.

Over time we see the issue becoming larger and more serious. This is hardly what you would expect from congregations bound by a decision made by a governing body in Jerusalem.

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Where Does The Governing Body Stand On Corporate Transparency And Their Fudiciary Duty To Their Members Who Trust Them?

by frankiespeakin in

i'm thinking the governing body needs to improve its corporation's transparency, and that it has a fudiciary duty towards all members to do so.

yet it makes very little information availible to check.

guidestar site3.

DNCall

A major reason for creating a complicated network of specialized corporations some years ago was to isolate and protect the Governing Body from legal action. In theory at least, corporate transparency is not something the Governing Body has to deal with. The creation of the various corporations hinders transparency. Any fiduciary duty would have to involve one or more of the corporations, not the Governing Body.

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verybelated intro: Tylin

by Tylinbrando in

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so i have been a lurker on this forum since its inception.

i registered over a year ago.

i jumped in several months back with a highly controversial subject of my daughter being sexually abused by an elder and the efforts we were taking to bring him to justice.