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Question for Tec

by Fester in

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hi tec,.

i'd like to publicly ask you about a few things.

i notice in a lot of your posts you talk about your "faith".. can you define exactly what "faith" is though?

Fester

So sebastious, your definition of "faith" is an internal belief which doesn't require an explanation?

I'd like to attach an article from the Deist website on this matter....

Faith: This word has been so terribly abused by "revealed" religions that it has come to really mean the suspension of an individual’s God-given reason in order to accept, or at least to tolerate, an unreasonable claim made by a "revealed" religion. It is the only way "revealed" religions can get people to accept such insane and unreasonable claims and ideas as original sin, walking on water, healing the sick without medical care, splitting the Red Sea, etc. Deists prefer to use the word "trust" instead of faith due to the twisted meaning the word "faith" has acquired after centuries of abuse from the "revealed" religions.

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All about Shelby

by watersprout in

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i wanted to post this thread about shelby.. she get's a lot of grief by what she posts on this site, so i thought i would start a post on how shelby has helped ones that have left the borg.. i can't begin to explain how shelby has helped me, i felt like i was in a hole and she gave me answers to the many questions i had.

no matter how many emails i bombarded her with, she always took the time to answer.

yes there has been times when i haven't liked what she posted, but i asked christ to help me understand and he did...... shelby helped me to open my mind and come to the realisation that the borg can no longer stop me from becoming the beautiful person i was destined to become.. i think i speak for many when i say thank you shelby!!!!.

Fester

The difference lies within the structure of the expression. Most non-religious people aren't trying to push a religion on others. Most religious people are. Does that help? In other words, those who are truly free, (from all forms of bondage, i.e, Jesus, satan, allah, Jehovah, crack, heroin, etc) will usually fair better than those still ensnared and trapped in whatever religious cult/fantasy belief they believe in.

If a person is free to push the Jesus/Satan/God/Boogie man concept in their conversation, well then, equally, the non-believer in fictional things should just as well be able to push the anti-Satan/Jesus/God/Hoobastank figure as well.

In reality though, all people should be able to think for themselves at all times, and always question authority of any type.

Think free. Live free.

Nothing is true. All is permissible.

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How Can Jehovah be Perfect If We Aren't?

by WalkTall in

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something that was said at the meeting yesterday made me think about this.

you know how the organization is always using the illustration of the broken mold and how adam could only pass on imperfection to his children because now he was imperfect.

how do they rationalize the fact that a perfect creator made people who were capable of making an imperfect choice?

Fester

It's really just as simple as a text not being original with the bible. The concepts of the bible in the Hebrew mostly originate with Egyptian thinking. The Greek concepts were mostly generated from a conglomeration of folklore, mainly that of Persian influence.

The fact of the matter is that much of it is inspirational in some way, and for that, I am grateful to still have access to the way many people of ancient cultures thought and lived. If anything, the biblical drama is a good tool to keep simply to look into how the ancient cults and religious institutions thought and acted. We have come a long way since then, of course.

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How Can Jehovah be Perfect If We Aren't?

by WalkTall in

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something that was said at the meeting yesterday made me think about this.

you know how the organization is always using the illustration of the broken mold and how adam could only pass on imperfection to his children because now he was imperfect.

how do they rationalize the fact that a perfect creator made people who were capable of making an imperfect choice?

Fester

I somehow doubt that man would drum up the selfless teachings though found in the ancient texts despite where they're originating from.

For instance, the concept of giving up all your possessions and leading a truly humble life (something that very few professed Christians actually do) is a feat that no man on his own accord would devise. That comes from the far eastern meditation mountain men. Of course they lived in a much more serene environment, at peace with their high altitude and even higher level of thinking. The western world mentality at least could never come up with such a humble concept.

I would gambit that much of the Persian influence on the NT has quite a bit to do with it's outcome.

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How Can Jehovah be Perfect If We Aren't?

by WalkTall in

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something that was said at the meeting yesterday made me think about this.

you know how the organization is always using the illustration of the broken mold and how adam could only pass on imperfection to his children because now he was imperfect.

how do they rationalize the fact that a perfect creator made people who were capable of making an imperfect choice?

Fester

The idea is that the character is perfect until he/she/it/god does something against the standard. God could very easily violate his own standard but chooses never to do so, and never has. That makes his record perfect. Adam was given the same gift, created perfect, also with the ability to choose to do that which is wrong in the eye of the one who created him. Adam chose to do something wrong, and violated his creator's premises.

You could argue that humans are more experienced with sin and imperfection than God is though, so there's something humans have that God never did.

OF course later on this biblical god commits all sorts of hypocrisies, (i.e, teaching Moses "not to kill" then ordering an army of Israelites to slaughter all kinds of people).

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who does Jehovah hold accountable?

by wasblind in

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an elder once told me "that if the spiritual food he recieves is wrong, and he follows it ,jehovah will not hold him accountable".

all through out the bible it incourages a person to test, ask and seek, and to make sure of all things, so how can he not be accountable ?.

what is the best scripture that would show him that he's accountable for what he recieves.

Fester

Some more loving words of "Jesus" (I usually put the word in quotes because it is debatable as to whether he actually existed or not)....

Luk 14:26 "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.

Luk 19:27 But these mine enemies, that would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. and of course the most disgusting and most distasteful (stolen from the Mithraic religion and put into X-tianity by Romans) Joh 6:53 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves. Joh 6:54 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day. Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. Joh 6:56 He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me, and I in him.

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All about Shelby

by watersprout in

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i wanted to post this thread about shelby.. she get's a lot of grief by what she posts on this site, so i thought i would start a post on how shelby has helped ones that have left the borg.. i can't begin to explain how shelby has helped me, i felt like i was in a hole and she gave me answers to the many questions i had.

no matter how many emails i bombarded her with, she always took the time to answer.

yes there has been times when i haven't liked what she posted, but i asked christ to help me understand and he did...... shelby helped me to open my mind and come to the realisation that the borg can no longer stop me from becoming the beautiful person i was destined to become.. i think i speak for many when i say thank you shelby!!!!.

Fester

I probably meant to relay that I don't think anyone should be pushing their religious feelings on others. Anyone is free to post whatever they want here regarding their faith and religion, of course. I just get so tired of people evangelizing, especially about eschatology.

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Question for Tec

by Fester in

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hi tec,.

i'd like to publicly ask you about a few things.

i notice in a lot of your posts you talk about your "faith".. can you define exactly what "faith" is though?

Fester

Tec, thanks for the warm welcome. While at times I feel compelled to exert what may seem anti-religious behavior in general, I want everyone here to know that I do have "faith" in God, because even with my new calling to Deism, which doesn't have a "Jesus" but rather just the belief in a creator that does have a positive or negative force in my life depending on how I treat others, I still have the utmost respect for people that remain comforted by the bible gospels and the real meat of the scriptures that can apply to people today, (i.e, the sermon on the mount, Galatians Chapter 5, Hebrews chapter 11, etc)....

Perhaps I am swayed more by the New Testament than anything else in the bible, that much is certain with the exception of proverbs. I still read the wise words of those ancient Israelite Kings who learned many lessons in life in those days.

If I were to describe my faith in God, it would be that of belief in a wise creator, without the need to back him with human books.

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who does Jehovah hold accountable?

by wasblind in

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an elder once told me "that if the spiritual food he recieves is wrong, and he follows it ,jehovah will not hold him accountable".

all through out the bible it incourages a person to test, ask and seek, and to make sure of all things, so how can he not be accountable ?.

what is the best scripture that would show him that he's accountable for what he recieves.

Fester

My favorite "loving, peaceful" words from sweet Jesus were always these forgiving kind statements in Revelation....

Rev 2:20 But I have this against thee, that thou sufferest the woman Jezebel, who calleth herself a prophetess; and she teacheth and seduceth my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

Rev 2:21 And I gave her time that she should repent; and she willeth not to repent of her fornication.

Rev 2:22 Behold, I cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of her works.

Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he that searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto each one of you according to your works.

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question for Bane

by isaacaustin in

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bane claims that he is using the authority given him by the bible by coming here.

for instance, he has claimed the following:.

"i haven t acted in any way that the bible doesn t give me power to.

Fester

I might add that the bible doesn't "teach" anything. It's merely a book abused by religious authorities over the years. There is absolutely not one shred of historical evidence from a contemporary historian proving even the existence of a figure known as "Jesus". So for all the people out there that like to use the bible as an authoritative document, they need to first prove, (somehow) that the figures are historical and the writings are not second hand. Since we don't know who wrote any of it, have no access to any it's original documents, the earliest copies of copies we have are dated nearly 200 years after the time period they allegedly take place in.

Believe in yourself. Question all forms of authority. Think for yourself.