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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

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yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

FYI my family lived a subsistence lifestyle on a desolate island in the Atlantic Ocean for 4 years with little requirement for the fossil fuel economy you describe.

My my, yes if only the other 6 BILLION people who need to get fed had your elevated moral character.

There are plenty people in many countries that are doing likewise today. Why? And why can't I find any reference to deaths related to a lack of treebark?

If we were together in person and you were to state that you think people in non-industrialized third world nations have plenty of food at this juncture of the conversation, I would slap you. HARD

You've forfeited your claim to being indignant about being described as ignorant. This is an astonishing level of ignorance.

Any comment on millenia of viable human life before oil and coal were being harvested on a grand scale? How ever did we manage to evolve without drilling holes in the seabed?

By the weakest dying and the most fit successfully procreating before the end of their short lives.

In the interests of science and fair play I'm willing to run the risk of slow death from boredom when I read your reply.

Far slower than your death if your mindset were allowed to make any real decisions about providing for the needs of humanity I am sure.

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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

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friends

yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

BTL - you managed to take 8 words from my post (out of context I may add - I also noted we DO need fossil fuels, to eat the way we have become accustomed to) and launch into a fairly boring explanation of food production. Or something. <eyes glaze over> Explaining the nuances of ammonia seems to give you an all over glow - kinda like when you wet yourself but don't realize why you feel so warm and good..mmmm....ammonia....

You've managed to imply that I'm a user of fallacious argument and ignorant in a public setting and piss me the f**k off.

Your entire input here has been:

1. There is a coming disaster (Armageddon)

2. Human imperfection/BAD decisions is the cause of this coming disaster.

3. The reason for this human imperfection is that some people do not have "the truth", that we need to be nicer to mother nature.

4. The real problem is there are some who refuse to accept "the truth" and they use fallacious arguments like "appeals to authority" to lead others away from "the truth".

5. We only need faith, TO KNOW THE TRUTH that these things people do to try to provide for their fellow man are silly, they won't solve man's problems "THAT WAY". Only faith in "the truth" that we are sinners who needlessly squander resources and pollute the earth is necessary to prevent/survive the coming disaster. If we just stop doing evil things, the coming disaster will be averted.

6. Those who would use fossil fuel to provide for the needs of people are under Satans control. God provides, there is no need to do things this way. It is done this way for the sole purpose of being selfish, evil or foolish.

7. I am good, because I know the truth, that just wanting to be nicer to mother Earth is what I need to do. I'm not a part of Satans world, I am not the problem. I am good. By having this attitude, I am helping. (mental masturbation)

8. Its not fair if someone comments on the validity of my position, its my religion <- there it is.

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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

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yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

What does snail? mean?

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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

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friends

yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

I don't agree we need to burn fossil fuels to eat.

Outstanding. You've made my point, and while I'm annoyed in very much the same way as I originally posted to rant about, I appreciate the opportunity to spank your mentally masturbating ass into some glimmer of understanding after which my hope of discussing the salvation of the world with people who aren't ignorant will get a small but perceptible boost. I have no illusions of success, but it feels good to try.

You buy your food with money. Money you earn after you burn fossil fuel to haul your ignorant ass to work. You work somewhere where the factors of production (whatever they are, materials, equipment, parts, paper, frickin' bottle of white-out or a paper clip) to make your product or service are brought to your workplace by vehicles that burn fossil fuel. The factories that made the car you drive to work and the trucks that brought the factors of production for your product or service burned fossil fuel to extract the steel from the ground, process the steel from mineral form to metal form, bend/mold/extrude the steel into the various parts that compose the car or truck and the vehicles that brought the vehicles to the places where the vehicles are sold also burn fossil fuel to do that. When you take your money that you got from burning fossil fuel you will buy food that was fertilized by Ammonia that was created at a plant which uses the Haber process to convert Natural Gas (a fossil fuel) and atmospheric nitrogen (N2) to Ammonia (NH3). Without this factory that consumes fossil fuel to make a vital nutrient to grow your food, there would not be even a tiny fraction of the nutrient available to grow the food that is currently grown. Not having Ammonia means far less food than mankind currently needs. There alone, people starve without fossil fuel (not to mention that nobody would have access to food off their own back 40 to eat anyways because to bring the food to people or to bring people to food, fossil fuel is consumed. To bring this fossil-fuel derived vital nutrient to the farms that grow your food, yes, it is loaded onto trucks or trains that burn fossil fuel to bring it to the fields. When Farmer Johnson buys fertilizer to grow your food, he drags the nutrient on a trailer behind a tractor, that burns fossil fuel. When farmer johnson plows his field it emits the same greenhouse gasses to atmosphere as are emitted when you burn fossil fuel. Pesticides and other chemicals derived from fossil fuel are applied to ensure that your food is eaten by you and not enormous swarms of insects. When your food survives thanks to fossil fuel and is ready for harvest, it is harvested by tractors that burn fossil fuel, loaded onto trucks that burn fossil fuel, by equipment that burns fossil fuel. The trucks then burn fossil fuel to transport your food to some local store which is lighted, heated, ventillated and cooled by equipment that runs on electricity generated from burning fossil fuel. You then take your fossil fuel derived money and your fossil fuel derived and fueled car to the fossil fuel operated store to buy your fossil fuel chilled, packaged, preserved, grown, and transported food.

If I take your fossil fueled life support out from around you, you will die desperately trying to gnaw at tree bark to calm your hunger pains or at the hands of the desperate man next to you who wants to gnaw the bark to calm his. Be informed, you are a fool in the grand tradition of a Jehovah's Witness. Ignorance is grand, so long as it sounds righteous. It all works fine until your ignorant ideas are actually put into practice and somebody gets hurt.

I hope you find this illuminating.

Bring_the_Light

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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

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friends

yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

Perhaps we will all benefit from an apostate viewpoint? I'm not telling you that this guy "has the truth" I'm telling you that you need to hear this perspective. Be careful Global Warming enthusiasts will shun you and spread rumors if they catch you with apostate material like this.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno

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getting over it - how long does that take?

by Switch in

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in december i started reading things and thinking with an open mind (for the first time in my life).

i'm still discovering things daily that irritate me about the wts.

i've been to about half a dozen meetings since march.

Bring_the_Light

Don't be surprised if it isn't a smooth approach to normal. I "figured it out" when I was 9, absolutely sure I would not be a JW at 13 .... not bad ups and downs here, basically ok without the Borg ... then THE WORST time was Feb-May of THIS YEAR. (long story, but how I ended up here).

Contrary to what a lot of people say, I actually seem to get comfort from looking upon the madness with my own eyes (ie going back to a meeting, trying to talk to JW's etc)

Its a hard thing, but its survivable.
Bring_the_Light

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The Hope For Our Dying Home-Earth...An Inconvenient Truth

by justhuman in

jw
friends

yesterday it was the day of the global inviroment.

as i walked to the street going to work, the main square of the capitol was filled with small children and their teachers with huge paintings, songs, art work with recycled elements demanding a cleaner plannet.

when the old generation will pass those little ones that will take in charge with all the inviromental education they had they will go for a better world.i'm sure about it, you could see it in their small eyes.

Bring_the_Light

Lets start with an appeal to authority fallacy:
I'm a Chemical Engineer and an Environmental Consultant so I speak with a little bit of authority on this.
Add a liitle bit of generalization fallacy along with some strawman:
Environmental issues are very similiar to religion with the people knowing the least preaching the loudest.
Top it off with some appeal to fear fallacy:
First, you would all most likely be dead if not for the Oil and Gas industry, if you don't immediately know why I say that, please shut up long enough to learn about the pre-industrialized world.
Where to start with this gem from an "environmental consultant"?
You don't like it, do something better, don't know what to do better? cool shut up and quit annoying the people who matter in the world and are keeping you alive.
Boy am I glad you are consulting on our environment Bring The Light.....
Please help me understand what you are trying to say here:
The concept of anthropogenic climate change is very important, however virtually nothing you'll hear about it is anything more than propoganda and religion.
There's a few double negatives and all, making it tricky to get your point...but it seems you are dismissing the NAS and IPCC findings on the subject. Interesting.
edit: POSTED BY BESTY - SweetPea is far more forgiving

Ha! Just found this. Nice. You know that feeling you get when dubs stare at you incredulously and imply that you're CRAZY if you don't get ready for Armageddon RIGHT AWAY because its SO SOON! ? Well yeah, I'm feelin' that now. Lets just nip a few shall we? 1. Appeal to Authority Fallacy: Only a fallacy when the appeal to authority is deceptive. Since I'm not actually trying to convince you of anything, just sharing my perspective, I certainly don't have any reason to be deceptive. I do have a much, much clearer perspective on the issue of Global Warming than you do due to my education and profession. I ACTUALLY benefit from YOUR perspective, yet I criticize it, why? because our perspective is lacking and I'm just pointing it out for the satisfaction of sharing knowledge and perspective with my fellow man (people). 2. Generalization: Again, generalization is only a fallacy when it obfuscates the issue by generalizing away from the point. My point is EXACTLY that I experience, frequently, mentalities which are very analogous to religious thinking/fanatacism and my exact point (not generalization) is that I find this annoying. I am specifically, not generally, making an analogy between two kinds of fallacious thinking, fanatical religious zeal in the absense of knowledge and fanatical political/environmental zeal in the absense of knowledge. The only thing you know on the topic of Global Climate Change I would venture to surmise is what people tell you. Your perception of what "is going to happen" comes only from others telling you "what is going to happen". That you cannot see the parallel with Jehovah's Witnesses means of gaining their "truth" is amazing. Jehovah's Witnesses also can't understand analogies between them and other cults. Think on that. 3. Oil and Gas/Industrialization are not minor luxuries. BILLIONS of people now alive, would be dead, without it. Billions with a "B". Your ability to EAT FOOD REQUIRES that fossil fuels are consumed and greenhouse gasses are emitted into the atmosphere. If greenhouse gasses do not go into the atmosphere, if fossil fuel is not consumed, FOOD will not go into your mouth. How else can I put this? Fossil fuel isn't about SUV's, it isn't about wasting energy that doesn't need to be wasted, in the 20th century it is an ABSOLUTELY unavoidable necessity to drive ALL of the prosperity that has propped the human condition higher than it HAS EVER been in history. When you engage in your self-righteous mental masturbation that use of fossil fuels is unnecessary and just some exorbitant luxury enjoyed by selfish people who don't care about the planet, you are not just annoying, you are dangerous. If you do the kind of extreme things that would be necessary to cut Greenhouse Gas emissions absent a rational migration to Carbon free energy over a period of decades, you will kill real people. Real people will die, because of your choice based on an idea followed due to a religious mentality. A captive of a concept. It was not an appeal to fear, it was an appeal to education. You don't know how the world works, I'm just trying to explain to you that you need to get a better handle on that before you can make a good decision on this topic. 4. I'll see if I can help with the very analogy I was trying to make: The concept of anthropogenic climate change is very important, however virtually nothing you'll hear about it is anything more than propoganda and religion. = The meaning of life is very important, however virtually nothing a religious zealot will ever say about it is anything more than propaganda (and err. religion). I don't have any more agenda than you do when trying to explain something to a JW. When you see the Light, you want to share the light. You aren't debating with a dumb Bush Republican, you're talking to a Chemical Engineer who has and intends to spend his life advancing solutions to the very problems you care about. All I'm telling you is you need to drastically expand your understanding to be any use at all to that end. That has nothing to do with my being a poop head (the intellectual level of your "analysis" of my comments) Bring_the_Light

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HEAD BANDS DEMONIC!!!!

by bonnzo in

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page 291 in the revelation speculation book has the funniest picture i have ever seen in wt publications.

look at all the "bad guys" wearing headbands!

and one nice, but brainwashed, sister commented tonight that head bands remind her of people that wanted to "do their own thing".

Bring_the_Light

"do their own thing".

Wow, ARMY flashback. When the Drill Sergeant was about to smoke the f**k out of you, the most common precursor was "Ah, Private so and so wants to do their own thang!". Then hours of paina and humiliation. I actually (accidentally) commented to a JW when I went to a meeting recently that "actually JW's is a lot like being in the Army", talk about Freudian slip! Its so true.

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News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by TooBad TooSad in

my wife excitedly told me that she talked to the wife of an elder that just came back from.

the special training for elders in upper state new york and that the elders are being told .

to go back to their congregations and to get them ready for the great tribulation.. i said to her that is great news !!!!

Bring_the_Light

I'm still astonished at the concept that surviving Armageddon only pivots on believing Armageddon is going to happen. God insists that he loves only those who are willing to believe extremely implausible things. Nothing "else" just believing extremely implausible things and spending your time trying to get others to believe extremely implausible things. Granted, I don't understand how this is all about some bitch eating an apple either, but even if you accept the fruit eating story, how then does just knowing and believing the little plan to save you from your guilt in the fruit eating affair prove or suggest ANYTHING about whether you deserve to die or not? I mean, seriously people. Seriously sick minds here. It has been brung. Bring_the_Light

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35 Articles of Impeachment against George W. Bush - Introduced by Kucinich

by What-A-Coincidence in

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http://www.democrats.com/files/amomentoftruth.pdf.

kucinich website crippled under suspicious circumstances after introduction of impeachment articles.

political desk june 10, 2008cleveland, oh - ohio congressman dennis kucinich's re-election website was shut down this morning by a series of suspicious and fast-moving events several hours after kucinich introduced 35 articles of impeachment against president george w. bush.. .

Bring_the_Light

Ya know, if we could just shut Kucinich and the like-minded the hell up, Democrats would have a monopoly on the "being the party of people who aren't offensively stupid". Thanks to this, we're forced to debate the point. Bring_the_Light

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