Interesting information Marvin you said:
"She was working behind the scenes on the blood issue to improve it for people who, as it turns out, were just like her; fighting cancer."
I, too was wondering what you meant.
BTW I enjoy your posts, they are always very informative, particularly when they pertain to the blood saga.
i distinctly remember the last talk i gave.
it was a talk in the "back" school.
everyone in the room was someone i had known most of my life.
20 years of public speaking and you were still giving talks in the 2nd school?? Wow, you must have been a sh*t hot speaker.
thinkin the same thing meself
some time ago a district overseer i know decided to have a social gathering of the do and co's.
after a district convention.
when bethel found about it, the do was told to, and did cancel it immediately.. i have often wondered why they don't want the do's and co's to socialise.. what do you think?.
Victims, if they get together and start comparing notes, bonding, airing grevances etc, can easily slip their harnesses and kick up a fuss.
Satanus, I would definately go along with that observation.
i still can't believe it.
she was here for the bbq, we had an awesome time, laughing, her telling stories from our childhoods.
i gave her a hug and told her i loved her before she left.
Oh dear, I'm so sorry.
Hugs
happy2bfree
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so, after a lengthy discussion with my mom on friday, she asked me ( again) to have a study with a bethel brother because the question i ask are too "above" her knowledge and she feels that only a well trained bethel brother can show me the "truth".. i voiced to her my issue:.
i love my mother, father and sister that are jw's and the last thing i want is to lose them, we had already drifted apart because of their new found faith ( my mom was first, about 8 years ago, then my older sister and just recently, last july 4th, my dad), i told her that if i have these study with a bethel brother i will, most likely, sya thing and state sources that may get me brnaded as an "apostate", i asked her, to be honest and truthful with me and to tell me that, if i get branded that and they are told, suggest to them, to stop dealing with me, would they?.
she said that no organization tells her who to deal with, even more so in regards to family.. i was not convinced, nevertheless i agreed and this wednesday will have my first study with him, first topic the mwt, my issue with certain translations ( such as romans 10:13, colossians and so forth) and the name "jehovha".. .
I think the NWT is a bit of a non event.
Please remember tat the WT had all their teachings in place before the NWT was even printed.
They used the name Jehovah and taught the doctrines they teach now, with some variations.
As a third generation JW I absolutely agree that you are barking up the wrong tree.
The big thing is "If you are directed by the Holy Spirit how have you made all the mistakes re dates.
There are only two conclusions:
1. The Holy Spirit makes mistakes.
2. You are not directed by the Holy Spirit and you are presumptious and blasphmous by claiming such.
y
on may 19th, theodore jaracz had a stroke.
he's in very serious condition in the hospital.. that's all the information i have for now.. barb.
I would like to thank you Barbara for your great contribution to this board.
We are all much better informed thanks to your participation.
My acquaintance with Ted was more than casual.
He has always been, first and foremost a company man; more suited
for the military and the discipline style of the forces. He was/is a
very efficient, regimented character.
To him and probably most of the GB members, the organization
was paramount, not the people. The organization had to be kept
“clean” even if it meant cruelty to individuals. Under the pretext of
not bringing “reproach” on Jehovah’s name, their main concern
was avoiding bad reflection on their name, not God’s.
As long as you go along with the policies imposed by the GB,
and stay on the prescribed track, you will feel the warmth,
but woe to you if you happen to disagree with them.
If you question procedures, or prefer not to go “beyond what is written”,
your days are numbered. You have a choice, obey the organization’s
rules or accept the consequences. Ray Franz and others are to be admired
for their stance. They obeyed God rather than company directors.
After number of years in the organization, I began to realize that you
can’t be a follower of Christ and have the organization as your master.
I too was being “groomed” by Ted for a time.
I started falling out of grace when, publicly, in my talks
before the ’75 debacle, I began to caution the brothers
not to set their hopes on 1975 because our Lord said
“the day and the hour………….”. I do not need to enlarge the
outcome; I soon felt the official chill coming my way.
Since Ted and the others of the GB claim to be Christian, why do
they constantly go beyond what is written? Don’t they realize
that they may incur God’s curse? Gal 1:6-9. Rev. 22:18, 19.
One day they too will stand before the judgement throne and will have
to answer for the harm they have done to so many innocent people.
Unfortunately, Ted was the wrong man for the wrong job. His appointment
was NOT a “spirit directed” choice.
Michael
here's the article.
it seems cover ups were done for the same reasons as the jw pedophile cover ups: to make the church look good.. catholic church shamed by irish abuse reportplay videoap thousands beaten, raped in irish reform schools end #main-media slideshow:ireland releases report on child abuse end .primary-media ap john kelly, of the survivors of child abuse (soca) group, right, and kevin flannagan brother of mickey ... end .secondary-media end .related-media by shawn pogatchnik, associated press writer shawn pogatchnik, associated press writer 2 hrs 44 mins ago end .byline dublin after a nine-year investigation, a commission published a damning report wednesday on decades of rapes, humiliation and beatings at catholic church-run reform schools for ireland's castaway children.. the 2,600-page report painted the most detailed and damning portrait yet of church-administered abuse in a country grown weary of revelations about child molestation by priests.. the investigation of the tax-supported schools uncovered previously secret vatican records that demonstrated church knowledge of pedophiles in their ranks all the way back to the 1930s.. wednesday's five-volume report on the probe which was resisted by catholic religious orders concluded that church officials shielded their orders' pedophiles from arrest amid a culture of self-serving secrecy.. "a climate of fear, created by pervasive, excessive and arbitrary punishment, permeated most of the institutions and all those run for boys.
children lived with the daily terror of not knowing where the next beating was coming from," ireland's commission to inquire into child abuse concluded.. victims of the abuse, who are now in their 50s to 80s, lobbied long and hard for an official investigation.
Keeps getting worse
1974 is this life all there is?--pdf bookmarked searchable reduced front cover?
click here: http://www.imagger.com/view/865440_scan-20001.jpg.html old book is a bit rough but will provide a few quotes.
such as: knowing these things, what will you do?
Thanks very much Atlantis! Your efforts are very much appreciated.
It does bring back memories. I Started pioneering 1947,
there was no time to learn a trade, the “end was so close”.
I trusted them then, but no more. I spent 60 years in that spiritual darkness,
but no more. Good to be free in Christ.
The GB deserves to be exposed for what they are;
our Lord Jesus will deal with them in his due time;
sadly in the meantime much suffering is imposed on some of their supporters.
Michael
i had a request for documentation of the watchtower societys statements regarding the year 1975. so, ive put these files up for downloading from a filesharing service.
the first file contains the complete text of 3 issues of awake!
26-35 (file is 12 mb):.
Many thankscabasilas for your excellent effort researching and posting
information which is of much help to all who wish to become enlightened
regarding the Watchtower Society’s deception.
Couple of samples from the 68 Awake you posted:
Awake Oct 8 68:
“WHEN God puts an end to this present
system of things shortly…” P17
“Do you want to be
"left over" in the
earth when this
wicked system is annihilated
soon at Armageddon?” P 29.
For one hundred years they have been fear mongering that Armageddon
was coming “soon”, “shortly”, “imminent”. Then they really stepped it up
for the 1975 debacle; yet more than 40 years after publishing the above-mentioned
statements in the 68 Awake, Armageddon has not appeared. How despicable their
claim to be “Spirit directed.”
I fell for that deception for a period; however, the closer we got to 1975
the more I realized that their forecast was unscriptural and recommended
caution to the brothers; you do not need to guess, I became very unpopular with the hierarchy.
Michael
the refusal by jehovahs witnesses to accept life-saving blood transfusions is one issue that constantly throws the organisation into the spotlight.
blood transfusions have been banned by the jehovahs witnesses, whether it be whole or fractional, since 1945. the technicalities surrounding this issue even confuse many die-hard witnesses as this doctrine is in a constant state of flux.
many are not sure what is acceptable practice and what not.. .
BTTT
