Just got my American citizenship. Am originally from Canada, british grandparents. Could not here the Canadian accent for 3 years. You know what I'm saying, ism. Ya, all, come back now. Well, shoooot. Don't give me no attitude. One of my favorites, eh. They are far more outspoken and blunt, rude, really. Have trouble listening to critique, but not in giving it. They are quite contentious and bull headed as a whole. The racial thinking is extreme. Would not have moved here if I'd known. Too old to start over now. The health care system is horrendous, just don't take care of their own. It's a great place to live if you have a good job, which we do. But hell on earth if you lose it. Tax wise, financially less cost of living than Canada. Hope I didn't offend anyone, just my observations in the last 12 years. Most americans don't get offended by this, they know it's true. Another thing I found quite strange is that it seems to be cool to be uneducated and speak poor grammar. The educated are persecuted. Poverty seems to be cool to them as well. The hillbilly image portrayed on tv is quite unexagerated. And they seem to really love their guns and hunting. Am homesick for my Canadian society, never really appreciated it till I lost it, eh. They're polite, funny, quite spoken, speak good english, appreciate education, and dislike violence and fighting. eh. (There's always exceptions in any society of course.) If I could afford to I would move back. Of course the states have palm trees, can't beat that. I miss being near my family as well.
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I have a theory regarding Elders
by Peppermint inthere has been much talk about the reasons for the demise of the book study.
the society claim rising gas/petrol prices, which of course is not the real reason.
some here think its down to declining numbers of elders and those who are reaching out.
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I have a theory regarding Elders
by Peppermint inthere has been much talk about the reasons for the demise of the book study.
the society claim rising gas/petrol prices, which of course is not the real reason.
some here think its down to declining numbers of elders and those who are reaching out.
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mosol
Trickie,
If you just stumbled onto this web site, while looking for dinosaurs or what not, then how did you know that they have been dwelling on the pediphile issue? It seems Trickie, that something is ascew. If you want to go back to the TRUTH, perhaps you should stop LYING first. Just an observation. Read Raymond Franz books first before you stand in judgement of us.
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Overcoming deep depression....success stories??
by oompa inguys, for those who know me here, i apologize in advance for being such troublesome pain in the ass.
i have had some scary low spots these past two years, and was imo on way too many meds.
i really had a death wish for awhile, and do not want to revist that feeling.
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Sorry, my batterie went out. Plugged it back in. Want to finish. By shunning you they are not validating you which causes mental illness. You need to find a place where you can recieve the validation that you need and deserve. Validation is to be heard and not judged. I never go back to the kingdom hall because I know that it would be detramental to my progress in mental health. The judging, the shunning and the black and white thinking, by going there you are being a codependent to the abuse. So know that you've done the right thing and go somewhere else to get healthy again. We are now off all meds and feeling great. Find out what your triggers are and be very careful about being around them.. I was triggered by a weight watcher meeting last night, there were 3 elders wives there. Not being validated by them was traumatic, brought on nightmares and anxiety, so I recognize their not saying anything to me as abuse and will stay away from that situation in the future. We can handle more and more as we get healthier, but some things may just always be triggers, having them there and the meeting similar to a cong meeting was a trigger to me. Quiet and healing environments are what I need right now without too much stimulation, and I don't apologize or feel guilty about it. Bike ride through the state park trails have been calming and therapuetic. Being around animals is great because they don't judge us or guilt us. That's why they have therapy dogs. All the best.
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Overcoming deep depression....success stories??
by oompa inguys, for those who know me here, i apologize in advance for being such troublesome pain in the ass.
i have had some scary low spots these past two years, and was imo on way too many meds.
i really had a death wish for awhile, and do not want to revist that feeling.
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mosol
As well Oompa, I too found it extremely overwelming that those I loved and cared for have shunned me for correcting falsehoods in my thinking. I spent time in the hospital and group over this. Six million people shunning me and thinking I'm an apostate. worst label ever. But as time went on I realized that by not validating my existense they were the ones who were abusive and were refusing to be helped. I on the other hand looked openly at the information, realized the thinking to be sick and dangerous and gave it up, so I am one step ahead of them and able to get on and do something that is not harmful to others, where they just continue on abusing others. I realized with all the people in the world they are a small minority just like the wife beaters, child molesters and serial killers. A psychiatrist once told me that their thinking was Mofia like. He said that it feels right but that it leads to death. Their Mofia like thinking is sick. They threaten to kill or df those that do not agree with them just like the mofia and to hurt their families by cutting off communication. They admitted this on my son's documentary where he recorded his dfing. Six elders, 3 from bethel admitted that dfing is the same as being put to death. Think about it, why would you want anything to do with people that if they had the legal right would put you to death for pointing out their abuse.
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Overcoming deep depression....success stories??
by oompa inguys, for those who know me here, i apologize in advance for being such troublesome pain in the ass.
i have had some scary low spots these past two years, and was imo on way too many meds.
i really had a death wish for awhile, and do not want to revist that feeling.
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Dear Oompa,
Yes, my whole family has overcome anxiety and depression. We all went to a psychologist's and took group therapy to overcome borderline personality disorder. The cult causes this disorder with its black and white thinking. Pick up some books on the disorder and study them. It should take from one to two years to overcome the distorted way of thinking. We are all happy and healthy mentally now. The trick is to find something to throw yourself into like you did with the religion. It must require intense study, exposure to people and be charitable and important. This is what we are used to. It took me years, I tried several things, but have finally found my niche, to be a dog behavioural trainer, the learning is indepth, I get to advise and guide people like we did in the ministry, and it's righteous because dogs lives are being saved. Doing puppy classes I can apply my Ministerial Training skills in speaking to an audience. My son runs support groups for people that have left their religion, and has written a book about the bible that would stump any witness, and it's hilarious. There are so many needs in this world, there's something out there for you Oompa, keep looking until you find it. When you do, delve into with the same enthusiasm you had with the jw's. Correct the black and white thinking, look at what you learned as a witness as a plus and put it into something else. You've got 15 to 20 years, maybe more to accomplish something great. My prayers are with you, my friend. Mosol
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WHAT MADE YOU LEAVE? Doctrine or people?
by chuckyy inhi.. just wondering what made you take the final leap out of the org?
was it doctrinal in that certain things just didnt add up or was it because of the actions of people in the org.
that made you leave?
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The focus was changing from worshiping Jehovah to worshipping the elders. I just couldn't kiss their butts well enough for their satisfaction so I finally gave up. I went from pioneering to nothing without even a goodbye. I'm sure that got some great gossip going in service. They do love a juicy story to melt away the boring hours in service don't they? Never told them why, just kept them guessing. I know how it would have been I read franz book and I know what would have happened. Why give them the pleasure of dfing me.
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What Circumstances Cause Some to Decide to Fade or Disassociate ?
by flipper inthis morning in seeing another poster going through this particular dilemma , i thought it would be good to open it up to open discussion to see what various situations occur in our lives that make us come to the decision to fade / or disassociate ?
everybody has different circumstances in their lives - so one size certainly doesn't fit all .
everybody has there pressure points in life they can deal with - some cannot.
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I was planning to fade but the elders were having an impact on my husband and he was treating me very badly as a result of their advice so I felt it was best for him to put closure on the situation, so we sent a letter. I don't know if it was read, we stuck it in an elders door. Witnesses still talk to me on occasion, I asked my old friend if there was an anouncement and she said no. She said she was told not to talk to me. She said she really wanted to read Franzes book but didn't. I'm leaving that situation alone because she smoked and was a heroine and alcohol addict before becoming a witness. Has only been one a few years. She knows it's a cult. Whatever works I say. My marraige is so much better now we're out. We almost divorced over it when first leaving. My husband is a stubborn man but my son Daniel got him to see the light. I thought I would go back now and then, but when I think of the emotional damage they do by refusing to validate anyone who does not worship them I just can't go back in. We both get sick to our stomach's at the thought of it. One of the main reasons I quit was that almost all the families had disfellowshipped children. They were terribly heartbroken. They talked about it constantly in service. An elders wife crying on stage because so many of her kids disfellowshipped. One elders wife said I have no one, to her mother at least you have me. Most of them on medication just to be able to cope. I started hoping that any families that I witnessed to would not come in because they would have to drag their kids to all those meetings and would lose them in the long run. I started to feel sorry for any children that I was seeing at the hall. Knowing that their parents would probably refuse to validate them and reject them if they made the mistakes that teenagers usually make. I knew in my heart that this was wrong. Why did it never occur to me to leave, through all the living hell they put us through, it never occured to us. We just kept moving thinking that it was this congregation, but every one was a nightmare. We went through about 8. Thanks, SOL for getting us out.