Posts by heathen

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

heathen

I do remember that in revelation jesus said he would be coming to take care of the wicked congregations . The pagan influences must have been prevalent , I can only see in some cases removing people as elders or ex communicate ( technically that's what it is since they do ignore you ) until they are convinced that you are serious about changing . What I don't like is they will sneak around and follow you . In my case there were some that knew my ,"worldly", friends and would run to the elders and rat off what I was doing . Keep in mind I was never even a publisher ... GOOD GRIEF . They never admit anything either as I've asked on occasion for information regarding it .. lie is what they do

I don't know how a witch retires either ..LOL

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what are your thoughts on this quote from the elders book?

by aboveusonlysky in

'in order to extend mercy, the committee must be convinced that the wrongdoer has a changed heart condition and that he has a zeal to right the wrong and is absolutely determined to avoid it in the future.'.

shepherd the flock page 91. i remember this is one of the first things that concerned me as an elder because it seemed to sound like a person is guilty until proven innocent rather than 'love believes all things', especially given the word 'convinced' appears in bold.. then in a training video one elder said something like 'unless we are convinced of repentance the shepherd the flock book says we must disfellowship'.

that was the begining of the end for me as i thought surely true christians would reason the other way round and show mercy wherever possible.. any thoughts?.

heathen

I thought they were very strict on people toeing the line , jesus did tell the apostles to forgive 7 times 77 should a person do wrong but at some point the church needs to take action , there are moral rules , certainly spreading false doctrine (they do it all the time themselves ) or gross sexual misconduct (peadophilia, homsexuals, adulterers ) . Personally I have to forgive the church in order to be involved ... that's another story

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BEARE OF INDEPENDANCE - Leaked Talk On My YouTube Channel

by pale.emperor in

brother melvin mallett delivers a talk entitled beware the spirit of independence.

(because, you know, thinking for yourself is not what jesus wants.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki.

oh, and remember folks... this isnt a cult or anything!.

heathen

It's like accusing you of thought crime , they act like they never said a lie the whole time . GOD can not lie so therefor his organization can't ,,, it's just imperfect men that like to talk like the spirit reveals things but then when asked deny it . They claim the 2 prophets in revelation refer to their org. but still will deny claiming to be prophets , geez been over this stuff so many times on here ...

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BEARE OF INDEPENDANCE - Leaked Talk On My YouTube Channel

by pale.emperor in

brother melvin mallett delivers a talk entitled beware the spirit of independence.

(because, you know, thinking for yourself is not what jesus wants.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki.

oh, and remember folks... this isnt a cult or anything!.

heathen

I had to put up with all their insanity myself , all I said was this belief that the generation of 1914 never passing away wasn't right ,,, suddenly I had a demon and was beat over the head the minute I walk in the door , said other things that the bible doesn't support that they teach as some sort of light backed by opinion, wasn't even a publisher .... Today they are changing the generation to a dual generation that sees the pangs of distress ... just and example of independent thinking that was more right than their supposed dogma

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the new understanding

by heathen in

hi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .

what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .

any comments ?.

heathen

Yep pretty much ,vidiot .. I'm studying the new publication and quite frankly they seem to rewrite their history , they so far had russel as predicting the invisible presence , pretty sure they believed the time was up in 1914 and the church would be in paradise at that point . This organization is strange , they will speak as a prophet then deny being one after they change things around, they are simply imperfect men , now we are back to they are jehovahs chariot . I think they are merely more interested in doing the legal thing not necessarily they right thing . anyway don't have much else to do with my time ...

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the new understanding

by heathen in

hi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .

what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .

any comments ?.

heathen

wow wizzstick , so original ,,, you must be a government employee and like trolling or something but be advised all is not well and we are faced with a total collapse .. the banks already ripped us off trillions of dollars , the pentagon as well ... our money is just paper , it's not just one bank , banks all over the world are saying it , there's way more than one source ... Alex jones is a shock jock but does follow the trends and has many people on that know the insiders ...

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You're fired!...Damage control in October broadcast

by ab.ortega in

this new broadcast features interviews with bethelites from south africa that were fired reassigned to the ministry field.

i almost feel sorry for these people who gave their all thinking they would be taken care of for who-knows how many years.

however they were let go in the blink of an eye.

heathen

so true undercover , I've heard what happened to the 75 church , people sold their property and lived in poverty expecting the end , the GB blamed the members for all the hype , like they weren't going on about the, millions now living stuff still at that point , they just act like everyone else misinterpreted it ,, how do you misinterpret that ? geez

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the new understanding

by heathen in

hi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .

what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .

any comments ?.

heathen

A perfect generation .LOL sure , what's the difference the lifers will only repeat anything in print anyway , they could change it tomorrow and they wouldn't bat an eyelash . I did go round with this back in the 80s and they jumped all over me like I had done some unspeakable evil questioning the GB .. Really made me mad . Never actually been in but do show up and study at times. I'll see what happens , I do predict another switcheroo coming at some point , tho I said at the end of the year, was tongue in cheek comment . I did not speak in the name of Jehovah ....

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the new understanding

by heathen in

hi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .

what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .

any comments ?.

heathen

wizzstick , just google economic nuclear winter and I'm sure you will find a good source for I had no problem ...

perry I would believe we still live in a time of grace since he still lets the sun rise on both wicked and righteous but I still think there's a the LF and great crowd . The LF are martyred the GC live forever never knowing death . I believe there are works involved but it is only by GODS grace are we even saved , the new testament does go on about needing to preach and convert others until GOD says it's complete. By now means is anyone to say they deserve anything in that regard , it's undeserved kindness or grace. what I get from reading it anyway

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You're fired!...Damage control in October broadcast

by ab.ortega in

this new broadcast features interviews with bethelites from south africa that were fired reassigned to the ministry field.

i almost feel sorry for these people who gave their all thinking they would be taken care of for who-knows how many years.

however they were let go in the blink of an eye.

heathen

I've seen some on this site claim they actually had jobs they went to while in Brooklyn and supposedly they are learning skills while there ... I don't think anyone should volunteer their entire life to being there