Welcome..
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".. it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble..."
hello everyone, just wanted to say hi and introduce myself.. i am a mid 30's just stepped aside elder, who just couldn't handle it anymore.. i am a 3rd generation born-in and former pioneer and bethelite.
it has been a log somewhat confusing ride for me, but i am finally settling in to realizing that i need to really look at what me and my family are doing.. .
its funny though what really got me here... it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble, it wasn't the watching young people bail left and right, it wasn't the ever changing new light etc... but a simple thought.. .
Welcome..
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".. it wasn't the 40 year old men telling me they were looking at boobies on the computer and hoping not to get in trouble..."
hello, i am new and i feel soooo wrong about being here.
anyway i am an m.s and have been disillusioned ever since the new understanding that came out in october.
i have read many things on this board that i have and also have not thought about.
I remember feeling exactly the same way you did...exactly. Read my first post and you'll see...MS too, disolusioned etc. I feel for you, this is a good place sometimes just to type...and give a few insane experiences. Theraputic. Did I spell that right?! ;-)
Take care
the round of "international" conventions that started in the middle of last year in the states "wrapped" up last weekend in new zealand.
there was some media converage (from which i derived the information that follows).
(someone who knows how to copy links may be able to provide the relevant media links?).
I'll never forget a circuit Ass. I went to about 2008, First time ever ZERO Baptisms out of a 800+ assembly. I remember the gasps
were you a sought after associate?.
were you often invisible?.
did other witnesses view you as "exemplary"?.
I was a "undercover lazy" MS! Barely made 8-9 hrs in FS sometime 5-7 hrs. My average was not a pretty sight, Was considered a "good teacher" from the pulpit/platform. Gave good talks "I guess" from what I was told. Guess that meant I was just a good parrot with decent eye contact and gestures. I was friendly with everybody....I liked the bros and sis, A certain few elders really wanted me to become an elder...all I had to do was raise my hours a bit, and that would do it...how ridiculously simple.
I started surfing this site while an MS....I planned a MS fade and stepped down cause of stress/depression/family issues. Worked great. I am still an active witnoid (1-5 hr pub) miss 60% of meetings.
last night all us servants were called to an important and critical meeting next week.
no one would give me a heads up on it.
our boe went to their secret squirrel school on boxing day last week so i can only assume its related to that.
I miss the meetings about meetings, where meetings will be discussed. What a Joke. I was an MS assistant to the guy in charge of sound...a goofy Elder (who took this job way too seriously) He would email me a copy of the Microphone meeting outline. 1nce a year...no joke.
I. Opening Prayer
A. The piveledge of Mic. Holding
1. bla bla bla (eph 5:22)
2. bla bla bla
You can't make this stuff up.!?! Even when I was a full believer I laughed my ass off. I hope the F$%knuts at brooklyn see what a crazy ass culture they have created. Unf*^*&%believable.
Keep us posted on your "impo-tant meeting" Kon..99 Curious to find out what happens.
TD...over and out and hittin the bottle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be2ltdktyhe.
be careful with color printers, if you're planning anything naughty or illegal.
most contain secret codes that identify your laser printer.. .
https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots.
Who checks the secret codes that are on random sheets of paper that come off my printer....Is there a FBI division that handles this?
first off, i owe this site a tremendous debt of gratitude.
i have been an inactive witness for 4 glorious years, and the spark that began my fade out of the organziation was this site and paul's jwfacts.com.
it opened my eyes to a whole new world of insight, and i discovered that there were so many people out there like me - still a "spiritual" individual, but completely disgusted with the jw organization.
First off...Welcome! Thanks for taking the leap and posting. The more the merrier! Second, you Avatar is now, hands down my favorite ever. Very creative, and funny. Aptly shows the absurdity of the Org. You first paragraph described the way I feel....ya just wonder how many of us poor people that feel this way are stuck in, that feel the same.
wow, did not think this was possible... the whole shepherd the flock - book available + some of the late boe letters regarding child abuse policies and secrecy, published here by nrk (the national broadcaster in norway).. http://www.nrk.no/contentfile/file/1.10660993!2010_ks10-e3vedl%20til%20slutt%20%282%29.pdf.
wonder how long it will be before it is removed?.
and jw being top story, child abuse matters discussed from different angles.. well done to those who have been able to make nrk interested and give it full coverage!.
I wrote one of the writers of the article...here's her response, my original email at bottom:
Hello, and thank you for your input. It is interesting that not all the states require a clergy to report a sexual misconduct in the US. Here in Norway the law is very clear; you should always contact the police even if you only suspect misconduct. Thank you.
Best regards,
Kristine Hirsti
NRK
Fra: xxx
Sendt: 14. desember 2012 23:26
Til: Kristine Hirsti
Emne: Article on your website.
Sorry, I am from the States and do not speak Norwegian. I imagine that you speak English as most Scandinavians are excellent linguists. I am an (inactive) Jehovah's Witness that disagrees with many of the teachings and policies. I would get in trouble by saying that to my local Elders. I read your article with the help of Google translator. It was talked about online on a JW discussion website (mostly inactive and X-JWs)...and I noticed that the response from the Watchtower PR people said multiple times that they always contact the Police. I think they exaggerated this point so people would think that the organization does the right thing...always. That is not the case however. Here in the U.S. some states do not require clergy to report sexual misconduct (a severe flaw with the law) Elders here are first required to contact the WT legal dept. in Brooklyn NY...BEFORE anyone else. If it is determined that they live in an area that does not require reporting to Police the Legal Dept. spokesperson will tell them they have fulfilled their duty, and are done. If they do live in a "reporting state" where it is required...then the are instructed to go to a pay-phone and make an anonymous report to the police.
It might be interesting to ask a JW official in Norway if they are such a united organization (under God) why the disparity? Why not make it policy to always contact police...and not from a pay-phone. I hope more newspapers here in the U.S. do stories about the WT Society. Thank-you for your time!
TD
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with the recent boe letter that atlantis posted on jwn regarding older publications that needed to be destroyed or discarded from all kingdom halls and the new on-line library on jw.org which only goes back to the year 2000, i wonder if the gb 2.0 is about to eliminate the wt library cd which contains watchtower mags all the way back to 1950. is there even a cd for 2012?
if there is, i think it'll be their last cd before they go all on-line.
either way, it clear that the gb 2.0 (aka fds) has a plan to erase any evidence of their unsustainable bs in the last 130 years....
Spot on BalaamsAss: "Most JWs barely scan the magazines or read the bible....then they snooze through the meetings. About half of elders have actually ever read the bible cover to cover ONCE."
I'd add that only about 2-5% are really studious JWs (beyond underlining) the ones that really see how drastic the changes are.
PS Great Screen Name!