Posts by Gladring

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DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

it is completely appalling.

it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

Gladring

http://www.biblestudents.org/absco/photodrama/index.htm

Quote from the photodrama of creation - The fifth day or epoch:

The conflict between Evolution and the Bible has been sharp. Nevertheless, unnecessary friction has been generated.
Only in respect to man does the Bible declare a special, direct creation of God. The statements of Genesis in respect to the lower creatures rather favor something along the lines of specialized Evolution. God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the Earth." (Genesis 1:20,21.) This is exactly in harmony with our scientific findings that the beginning of life came from the waters, and later extended to the birds, and later to land animals.

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DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

it is completely appalling.

it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

Gladring

Teel - Back in 1914 the Bible Students were teaching that evolution is fact and in harmony with the Genesis account. Only in relation to man did they claim special creation. They still held this position in the 1920s.

Does anyone know why the did an about face on this? Or when exactly it changed?

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DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

by Designer Stubble in

i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

it is completely appalling.

it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

Gladring

Something else to note - on almost every page there is a footnote to say "this scientist is not a creationist and his remarks are not intended to say that he doubts evolutionary theory". Perhaps this is so when you comment on the misrepresentation, the JW can say "look they say here that that's not what the scientist meant". Perhaps it is to cover their legal asses. But why bother printing a brochure and then rendering it impotent with so many disclaimers?

They have also included a complete bibliography to make it even easier to track the misquotes.

I think they are trying to address some of the objections raised against the older creation books, but they can't make a case for creation without misrepresenting the scientists quoted.

The brochure may fool those who already believe, but anyone impartial who checks the references will not be deceived.

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God's Top 50 Killings: How do you rate them?

by leavingwt in

jw
friends

let your voice be heard!

visit the site below and vote on god's top 50 killings.

1the amalekite genocide1sam 15:2-320 ratings2jeroboam's son: god kills another child1kg 14:1715 ratings3god and satan kill job's children and slaves in a betjob 1:18-1917 ratings4god sent two bears to rip apart 42 boys for making fun of a prophet's bald head2kg 2:23-2424 ratings5god killed a couple hundred thousand because david had a census that he (or satan) inspired him to have2sam 24:15, 1chr 21:1420 ratings6jephthah sacrifices his daughter to god as a burned offering (to pay him back for helping him slaughter 20 cities)jg 11:3922 ratings7god killed every first born egyptian child and animalex 12:29-3028 ratings8an angel killed 185,000 sleeping soldiers2kg 19:34, is 37:368 ratings9god slowly killed david's baby boy to punish david for adultery2sam 12:14-1823 ratings10god sent lions to eat those that don't fear him enough2kg 17:25-2612 ratings11samson murders 30 men for their clothesjg 14:1913 ratings12seventy heads in two heaps2kg 10:6-1012 ratings13god killed one million ethiopians2chr 14:9-1415 ratings14god kills ezekiel's wife and tells him not to mourn her deathezek 24:15-1814 ratings15elijah kills 450 religious leaders in a prayer contest1kg 18.22-4015 ratings16god killed uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling2sam 6:6-7, 1chr 13:9-1015 ratings17god killed 50,070 for looking into the ark of the lord1sam 6:1920 ratings18who is on the lord's side?

Gladring

I'd have to go with number 9 - God killing David's innocent child. Unlike some of the other examples, where it could be argued that it was not God himself that killed the victims, the scriptures are clear that God killed the child.

I like the bears killing the children too.

42 for gore factor - Phineas drives his spear through the privates of a couple getting it on in a tent. Nice.

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Turning the tables on the Elders

by Darth plaugeis in

i would love to hear your experiences when this worked out for you.

i had a great turning of the tables when i was 22. the con.

went out to a park for picnics, softball, that sort of thing.

Gladring

asphereisnotacircle said

"well he didn't feel confortible talking to you".

that was the excuse my assholes gave too

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Turning the tables on the Elders

by Darth plaugeis in

i would love to hear your experiences when this worked out for you.

i had a great turning of the tables when i was 22. the con.

went out to a park for picnics, softball, that sort of thing.

Gladring

i love that story

i don't have anything quite so entertaining.

not long after i quit going to meetings, one over-zealous elder supported by two cronies tried to get a elders meeting to discuss my "apostacy". my dad is an elder in the same cong. all the evidence they had was hearsay, and they hadn't done the Matt 18 thing and spoken to me first. so my dad said no way, no elders meeting. this elder, the po and one other elder had their own meeting about it anyway. dad found out and hit the roof.

anway, a couple of months later the over zealous elder calls around with the CO to offer encouragement. towards the end, as they were leaving, i said "so xxxx, does CO know about this secret meeting you had with bro y and bro z to accuse me of apostacy? he got all defensive and flustered and said, we'll talk about it another time.

nothing happened for ages and i lost interest.

then a month or so later over zealous elder and his accomplice elder call to offer my wife encouragement. i had no real interest in it at this stage but i sat in on the conversation. before getting into the docrine stuff over zealous elder says to me - "last time you mentioned about this meeting, do you still want to talk about it?"

so i said" xxxx not really, i don't really think about it. you came hear to talk to my wife, so i'm happy to leave it."

he was happy to move on, when all of a sudden his accomplice (who had been silent up until now) pipes up and says - "i just want to say there never was such a meeting" i couldn't let that opportunity go.

so i said "ok accomplice elder, did you and over zealous, and the po have a meeting?" - "yes"

"ok, did you discuss me at it?" - "yes"

i left it at that - the great spanner just couldn't help but blurt out a big fat lie. what shred of credibility they had with my wife was completely shattered. and we hadn't even got into the UN stuff yet!

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For people who use the OT to try and prove that God is an awful tyrant...

by tec in

the people in the ot made mistakes about what god wanted and expected from them.

some of the laws that were given were in place because they were too hard-hearted to accept anything more merciful.

jesus clearly states this:.

Gladring

Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus approved of the OT laws.

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Where have the PDFs gone?

by Gladring in

maybe i'm blind or stupid, but it looks like the pdfs of study articles from jw.org have been removed.. anyone else notice this?

i haven't seen them for about a week now..

Gladring

Ok, found them!

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Where have the PDFs gone?

by Gladring in

maybe i'm blind or stupid, but it looks like the pdfs of study articles from jw.org have been removed.. anyone else notice this?

i haven't seen them for about a week now..

Gladring

Maybe I'm blind or stupid, but it looks like the PDFs of study articles from jw.org have been removed.

Anyone else notice this? I haven't seen them for about a week now.

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Doctors say they are misquoted by WTBTS?

by Gladring in

in a recent thread, skeeter said that there was a european documentary in the last few months in which doctors complained that the wt had misquoted them.

does anyone have more info on that documentary, or if those complaints are in print anywhere?.

Gladring

Thanks for that skeeter!

Hi Wobble. Just been keeping our heads down and really enjoying life. Haven't been online much at all lately. Had a great Xmas and New Year, lots of fun.